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I've been frittering time away with my chaos space marine army and simply can't wait for the chaos legions codex to come out. I've heard differing time lines on the release between 2-4 months.
My bottom line is, I want to start building my world eaters legion. I don't feel the csm codex can effectively express this. I want to run world eaters using the blood angels codex, until the real one is out. I know i'm not the first person to make such a correlation, but i wanted some help as to how i'd make it work. I would use khorne berzerkers w/ jump packs, the forge world conversions for world eater termies and i feel like it could really work well. I would like any comments or tips on cool stuff i could do to make this work.

This is kind of a long shot, but bear with me here. I'm not certain i would want to use a librarian, and i know that world eaters and librarians don't mix, BUT if he only used unleash rage and sanguine sword i think it could make sense. Consider him as a lord of khorne that can focus his demonic powers to perform incredible feats in melee. It makes sense to me, ALSO his psychic hood makes sense because khorne is all about denying other peoples powers. I'd love to hear your thoughts!

World Eaters disbanded after the Battle of Skalatharax. Angron's attempt to reunite (what was left of) them at Armageddon (investing literally decades of preparation) failed miserably.

World Eaters don't exist in 40K. Only remenant berserker warbands of various sizes, some alone, but the vast majority fighting with/for other Chaos Forces do.


Thus, like pretty much all "mono-God" list, all-Khorne is exceedingly unfluffy. Adding a few Tzeentch "Liberians" or other non-Khorne units would certainly help.

I think that's a very all-or-nothing point of view Zweischneid, realistically few traitor legions/factions exist as much more than warbands but that shouldn't influence the OP's objective.

@OP, World Eaters themselves used a lot of jump packs and obviously the Butchers Nails (the junk in their head that made them angry) is well represented through Furious Charge (and feel no pain), so Assault Marines and the Blood Angels Codex in general is a very reasonable method to represent them IMHO. Death Company can also be used to represent veterans for example.
Regarding using librarians, considering your intention of it representing powers of chaos, rather than psychic powers, I would personally have no problem with this, but I would recommend you use more individual powers as you suggest.

Ultimately I think it's a very workable idea. Good luck.

I was under the impression that world eaters would be featured in the upcoming codex, is a retcon possible?


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Either way i'm sold on doing a khornate list, and it would be possible for a fragment of the world eaters to have stuck together right?

The World Eaters exist as warbands as you described, but no longer a Legion effectively AFAIK. This should have little influence/effect on how you use them in-game.

do you hear the voices to wrote:I've been frittering time away with my chaos space marine army and simply can't wait for the chaos legions codex to come out. I've heard differing time lines on the release between 2-4 months.
My bottom line is, I want to start building my world eaters legion. I don't feel the csm codex can effectively express this. I want to run world eaters using the blood angels codex, until the real one is out. I know i'm not the first person to make such a correlation, but i wanted some help as to how i'd make it work. I would use khorne berzerkers w/ jump packs, the forge world conversions for world eater termies and i feel like it could really work well. I would like any comments or tips on cool stuff i could do to make this work.

This is kind of a long shot, but bear with me here. I'm not certain i would want to use a librarian, and i know that world eaters and librarians don't mix, BUT if he only used unleash rage and sanguine sword i think it could make sense. Consider him as a lord of khorne that can focus his demonic powers to perform incredible feats in melee. It makes sense to me, ALSO his psychic hood makes sense because khorne is all about denying other peoples powers. I'd love to hear your thoughts!

Definitely an awesome idea and one I'd love to see completed on the table top. The Death Company would fit in nicely for berserkers and their close in fighting style. Some folks have commented that the World Eaters disbanded and to that I say "So what??" Given the smaller scale of 40k it isn't like you are fielding the entire chapter. Your version of a khornate "warband" would be just as acceptable as someone else's in my book. Using Librarian powers as "chaos powers" is also an interesting idea. Shouldn't be too hard to fit other chaos units and models in using other rules from the Blood Angels book either. Now I want to go out and look into the Blood Angels codex for inspiration. Hehehehe...thanks, just what I needed.

Just don't get caught in to that "all khorne followers are berserkers" crap that so many people buy into. The World Eaters had implants that, when combined the chaos energies, drove them insane to that level, but not every follower of khorne was a world eater to begin with. Khorne just wants skulls for this throne. He doesn't care if they come from hand to hand fighting or if you set off a virus bomb and kill an entire planetary population. He *still* gets his skulls and the virus bomb would get you more brownie points for killing so many at once.

Good luck with the project!
Skriker

Zweischneid wrote:World Eaters disbanded after the Battle of Skalatharax. Angron's attempt to reunite (what was left of) them at Armageddon (investing literally decades of preparation) failed miserably.

World Eaters don't exist in 40K. Only remenant berserker warbands of various sizes, some alone, but the vast majority fighting with/for other Chaos Forces do.


Thus, like pretty much all "mono-God" list, all-Khorne is exceedingly unfluffy. Adding a few Tzeentch "Liberians" or other non-Khorne units would certainly help.

Almost *every* legion shattered into warbands after the Heresy. World Eaters are noteworthy only for the especially savage fighting among themselves in the process.

And as for mono-god lists, they have always existed in the fluff and in the game. On the contrary, I would say that today's anything-goes lists are exceedingly unfluffy - yes you've always been able to combine the followers of different gods, but always with some penalties or restrictions. Animosity rules and the like. Today's CSM and Daemon codices are a result of over-simplification and/or lazy rule writing.

Zweischneid wrote:World Eaters disbanded after the Battle of Skalatharax. Angron's attempt to reunite (what was left of) them at Armageddon (investing literally decades of preparation) failed miserably.

lies.

World Eaters don't exist in 40K. Only remenant berserker warbands of various sizes, some alone, but the vast majority fighting with/for other Chaos Forces do.

Lies!

Thus, like pretty much all "mono-God" list, all-Khorne is exceedingly unfluffy. Adding a few Tzeentch "Liberians" or other non-Khorne units would certainly help.

LIES!!!


The world eaters are currently conducting joint operations with their brother legions, testing out new axe-technology and assaulting strategies etc. Soon they will reunite into an unstoppable red avalanche of carnage and bring the weakling imperium of man to its knees. Which is extremely fluffy.


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do you hear the voices to wrote:I've been frittering time away with my chaos space marine army and simply can't wait for the chaos legions codex to come out. I've heard differing time lines on the release between 2-4 months.
My bottom line is, I want to start building my world eaters legion. I don't feel the csm codex can effectively express this. I want to run world eaters using the blood angels codex, until the real one is out. I know i'm not the first person to make such a correlation, but i wanted some help as to how i'd make it work. I would use khorne berzerkers w/ jump packs, the forge world conversions for world eater termies and i feel like it could really work well. I would like any comments or tips on cool stuff i could do to make this work.

This is kind of a long shot, but bear with me here. I'm not certain i would want to use a librarian, and i know that world eaters and librarians don't mix, BUT if he only used unleash rage and sanguine sword i think it could make sense. Consider him as a lord of khorne that can focus his demonic powers to perform incredible feats in melee. It makes sense to me, ALSO his psychic hood makes sense because khorne is all about denying other peoples powers. I'd love to hear your thoughts!

Absolutely. Do it. Blood Angels are just closet World Eaters anyway. Marines who can't hide it anymore and start screaming "blood for the blood god" get hit with a million tranq darts and then assigned to the death company, because the chapter's leaders are afraid that the truth will get out. Anyway World Eaters had lots of jump assault units before the heresy, no reason they wouldn't now. And contrary to popular belief we do not simply charge headlong into enemy guns and die like morons. Like other assaulting armies we're all about getting into assaults as fast as possible, especially with jump packs and drop pods. And while we do want to kill the enemy in close combat as much as possible, in any case we want to kill him, so if we have to bring a lascannon or two to get the job done, we'll do it. However, it is preferable to have non-world eater troops undertake this task, as most world eaters will feel that it is not quite proper to kill the enemy at a distance. Good luck! May thy foes be worthy, and thy axe forever red!

Thanks for the feedback everybody!

I'm currently allocating funds to this project and am going to start a wip thread when i start buying and constructing models. Right now I need a little help with what the army should consist of. The majority is going to be assault marines, with and without jump packs. I'm not going to include storm ravens or librarian dreadnoughts. I'm iffy on baal predators, I'm sure I could make it work somehow but I'm not 100% on it. A priority for me is being able to transfer most of the army to the new chaos codex when it's released. Here is a list of things i'm definitely going to include.
-assault marines w/ transports
-assault marines w/ jump packs
-sanguinary priests, i'm going to convert them up as either chirugens or warp conduits, which would make more sense?
-Death Company, as HARDCORE devotees/veterans
-A dreadnought, not sure if he should be death company or furioso? both seem pretty khorney I would use the forge world dread
-Assault termies, all lighting claws, forge world stuff to make them World eaters a and raider for them.
That's all i'm sure of, everything else is up in the air. My heavy support will probably be some predators, as they are pretty standard. I might do a world eaters devastator squad, but only as a joke. Vindicators seem like they would compliment the get in your face theme. any thoughts or advice?

do you hear the voices to wrote:
-assault marines w/ transports

Buy razorbacks for now, just don't glue the top plate/rhino top doors on so you easily swap options out. Rumors hint at Chaos getting some new transport toys/daemon engines!

do you hear the voices to wrote:-assault marines w/ jump packs

Now if you can find some way to score those old heresy-era style jumps packs...

do you hear the voices to wrote:-sanguinary priests, i'm going to convert them up as either chirugens or warp conduits, which would make more sense?

I'd go with chirugiens myself. 'Warp conduits' just kinda scream daemonhost or possessed type victim imho.

do you hear the voices to wrote:-Death Company, as HARDCORE devotees/veterans

World Eaters Gladiator assault teams!

do you hear the voices to wrote:-A dreadnought, not sure if he should be death company or furioso? both seem pretty khorney I would use the forge world dread

Psychotic, derranged, blood-madden maniac who's half-dead and hooked up to what is basically a walking coffin that stops him from feeling the rejuvinating sprays of his enemy's blood?!
Something tells me a Death Co dread fits the bill rather nicely!

do you hear the voices to wrote:-Assault termies, all lighting claws, forge world stuff to make them World eaters a and raider for them.

Magnatise what would be the 'gun arm' so you can swap in combi-meltas and a heavy flamer or reaper autocannon. That's the real beauty of chaos termies afterall!

do you hear the voices to wrote:That's all i'm sure of, everything else is up in the air. My heavy support will probably be some predators, as they are pretty standard. I might do a world eaters devastator squad, but only as a joke. Vindicators seem like they would compliment the get in your face theme. any thoughts or advice?

Vindies, predators, & land raiders are all easily viable in a World Eaters themed list.
Bikers could work as a squad of 'bloodriders'. Equiped with meltaguns for tank-slagging or else the staple plasma pistol that is typically the only upgrade gun for actual 'zerker squads.
Havocs armed all with a combination of meltas & flamers would fit fine as well. Remember, Kharn did go postal with a flamer that one time!

Zweischneid wrote:
Thus, like pretty much all "mono-God" list, all-Khorne is exceedingly unfluffy. Adding a few Tzeentch "Liberians" or other non-Khorne units would certainly help.

There's so much wrong with this that I can't even begin

So uh. It's unfluffy for a legion themed chaos list?

I'll be down in the WHFB pages you guys.

Zweischneid wrote:

Thus, like pretty much all "mono-God" list, all-Khorne is exceedingly unfluffy. Adding a few Tzeentch "Liberians" or other non-Khorne units would certainly help.

Troll spotted. That or man don't ever try to pretend you know frak about chaos fluff. Khorn HATES tzeentch and vice versa.

mayfist wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:

Thus, like pretty much all "mono-God" list, all-Khorne is exceedingly unfluffy. Adding a few Tzeentch "Liberians" or other non-Khorne units would certainly help.

Troll spotted. That or man don't ever try to pretend you know frak about chaos fluff. Khorn HATES tzeentch and vice versa.

Actually, Tzeentch is neutral to Khorne. It's Nurgle he hates.

Durza wrote:

mayfist wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:

Thus, like pretty much all "mono-God" list, all-Khorne is exceedingly unfluffy. Adding a few Tzeentch "Liberians" or other non-Khorne units would certainly help.

Troll spotted. That or man don't ever try to pretend you know frak about chaos fluff. Khorn HATES tzeentch and vice versa.

Actually, Tzeentch is neutral to Khorne. It's Nurgle he hates.

Stop talking about if you know how any of the fluff works man. Seriously, it's getting on my nerves. Khorne really hates Malal, obviously.

Take your poverty fluff knowledge out of here.

Kind Regards,
Vladsimpaler

No, your all fething wrong.

KHORNE HATES EVERYBODY!

Durza wrote:

mayfist wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:

Thus, like pretty much all "mono-God" list, all-Khorne is exceedingly unfluffy. Adding a few Tzeentch "Liberians" or other non-Khorne units would certainly help.

Troll spotted. That or man don't ever try to pretend you know frak about chaos fluff. Khorn HATES tzeentch and vice versa.

Actually, Tzeentch is neutral to Khorne. It's Nurgle he hates.

Yup my bad, but Khon still hates tzeench and all that psycherie

Zweischneid wrote:World Eaters disbanded after the Battle of Skalatharax. Angron's attempt to reunite (what was left of) them at Armageddon (investing literally decades of preparation) failed miserably.

The World Eaters might have split up, but they all still owe their allegiance to Angron, and do still exist as a legion in that only their members know how to make berzerkers, apart from former WEs in the Black Legion.

World Eaters don't exist in 40K. Only remenant berserker warbands of various sizes, some alone, but the vast majority fighting with/for other Chaos Forces do.

That's a pretty odd statement. World Eaters clearly exist, or else peoples' heads magically leap from their shoulders while ventriloquists shout 'BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!' behind some bushes.

Thus, like pretty much all "mono-God" list, all-Khorne is exceedingly unfluffy. Adding a few Tzeentch "Librarians" or other non-Khorne units would certainly help.

That statement, on the other hand is just silly. When the legion split up, they remained in groups plenty large enough to make a viable army of, and those dedicated to a single god are more likely to form a group anyway.

Alright, here are some specifics for what i'm going to do, links included.

This guy is going to be a counts as gabriel seth for me. Seth seems like a very hard hitter in melee and I feel like the over all theme of his abilities would fit a khorne lord very nicely.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440167a&prodId=prod1090238&rootCatGameStyle=

This is going to be my counts as death company dread, he'll be equipped with 2 of the chain fists.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/WORLD-EATERS-DREADNOUGHT.html

This beast of a terminator will count as either a reclusiarch or that librarian character I was talking about.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/KHORNE-WORLD-EATERS-TERMINATOR-LORD-ZHUFOR.html

This is for the assault termies,
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/WORLD-EATERS-TERMINATORS-CONVERSION-SET.html

These might be my favorite addition, but here are the pre-heresy jump packs I want to use.
http://chapterhousestudios.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=85_131
Picture some of those on the back of some zerkers, it looks great in my head haha

I definitely want to use these back packs for my chirugens(sang. priests), The big one will be for a brother corbulo counts as.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440336a&prodId=prod1860240
I'll also make sure they have the apothecary arms, but I'm not sure what else they should have. It feels like they'd still be missing something to me. Cloaks? Robes? Something.

The only thing I have absolutely no idea what to do with is the death company. I can't think of anything to make them stand out. I really need help in this area.

Also, I would love to hear thoughts, suggestions or questions about my current ideas! Thanks!

do you hear the voices to wrote:Alright, here are some specifics for what i'm going to do, links included.

This guy is going to be a counts as gabriel seth for me. Seth seems like a very hard hitter in melee and I feel like the over all theme of his abilities would fit a khorne lord very nicely.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440167a&prodId=prod1090238&rootCatGameStyle=

This is going to be my counts as death company dread, he'll be equipped with 2 of the chain fists.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/WORLD-EATERS-DREADNOUGHT.html

This beast of a terminator will count as either a reclusiarch or that librarian character I was talking about.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/KHORNE-WORLD-EATERS-TERMINATOR-LORD-ZHUFOR.html

This is for the assault termies,
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/WORLD-EATERS-TERMINATORS-CONVERSION-SET.html

These might be my favorite addition, but here are the pre-heresy jump packs I want to use.
http://chapterhousestudios.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=85_131
Picture some of those on the back of some zerkers, it looks great in my head haha

I definitely want to use these back packs for my chirugens(sang. priests), The big one will be for a brother corbulo counts as.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440336a&prodId=prod1860240
I'll also make sure they have the apothecary arms, but I'm not sure what else they should have. It feels like they'd still be missing something to me. Cloaks? Robes? Something.

The only thing I have absolutely no idea what to do with is the death company. I can't think of anything to make them stand out. I really need help in this area.

Also, I would love to hear thoughts, suggestions or questions about my current ideas! Thanks!

I like pretty much everything I am reading so far. Again, I'm not very keen on you using a Librarian, even if it's counts as "rage of Khorne" or whatever. I just feel like it's a little iffy. I personally do a World Eaters counts-as with the Spacewolves codex and I definitely don't use Rune Priests. Most people won't mind you doing counts as, but you'll have lots of 'splainin to do when it comes to the Librarian.

Regardless, I like everything else. For Death Company, you could use the Forgeworld World Eaters kits, they're super awesome.

Then for your normal dudes you could use Khorne Berzerkers from the plastic kit. It would also help if you painted them a little differently, like if they had a black shoulderpad to distinguish them as "Chosen of Khorne" or something along those lines.

Kind Regards,
Vladsimpaler

Honestly I'm iffy on the librarian myself, I'm just trying to be creative with my set up. IF I decided to run it, and that would be a huge it, he would only get access to power that boosted melee ability. Heck, I might even want to count it as a daemon weapon that lets him strike at str10 and make d3 additional attacks each turn, but each time he activates it, he runs the risk of it eating him. As for interference with psychic hoods or SitW, I could say the daemon is weakened around such things and thus harder to call upon, I don't know. I'm really just spit balling here haha

I just looked at the world eaters kit on forge world and it's gorgeous, absolutely perfect for the "chosen". They would definitely get a unique paint job as well. Some fur cloaks might also look pretty sweet.
http://www.anvilindustry.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=60_71&product_id=80


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oh and what about possible use of the chaos mutation limbs?
or is that too much? cause on the other hand I'd kind of like my World Eaters to have somewhat of a clean feel haha

I think the Libby is a very reasonable justification IMHO, I'd definitely be willing to accept it in a game. You could also check out Astorath and Mephiston, the latter of whom could just be given a DP model.

If you don't mind sacrificing the clean feel, then there's nothing wrong with a few extra limbs etc.; makes the battleforce a worthwhile purchase.

You may also want to check out my fandex linked in my sig'?

do you hear the voices to wrote:Honestly I'm iffy on the librarian myself, I'm just trying to be creative with my set up. IF I decided to run it, and that would be a huge it, he would only get access to power that boosted melee ability. Heck, I might even want to count it as a daemon weapon that lets him strike at str10 and make d3 additional attacks each turn, but each time he activates it, he runs the risk of it eating him. As for interference with psychic hoods or SitW, I could say the daemon is weakened around such things and thus harder to call upon, I don't know. I'm really just spit balling here haha

I just looked at the world eaters kit on forge world and it's gorgeous, absolutely perfect for the "chosen". They would definitely get a unique paint job as well. Some fur cloaks might also look pretty sweet.
http://www.anvilindustry.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=60_71&product_id=80


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oh and what about possible use of the chaos mutation limbs?
or is that too much? cause on the other hand I'd kind of like my World Eaters to have somewhat of a clean feel haha

Yeah, like I can honestly see why you want to have a Librarian for the powers, and ultimately it's up to you and not some dude off the intarwebz. However I just feel that if it takes a paragraph to justify a single HQ choice then it probably isn't the best idea.

Like you got your Death Company? They're Chosen of Khorne.
Dreadnought with Blood Talons? Insane Dreadnought dedicated to Khorne.

That's stuff that most people won't really blink an eye at haha, though again it's all up to you!

And yeah, the Forgeworld World Eaters stuff is probably some of their best stuff, in my opinion. If I hadn't already blown my 40k budget for the first half of the year already, I definitely would have bought Lord Zhufor and the World Eater berzerker upgrade kit.

Definitely get the fur cloaks, that will further distinguish an already awesome unit. (Though beware that players might focus on them because of it! )

As for mutations, well you can't really have Chaos without them. I can understand that you want them to have a clean look, however I think the Chaotic attributes really take Chaos Space Marines from being "spikey marines gone baaad" to "insane devotees to uncaring gods screaming praises", which is ultimately what you want to go for haha

Possibly just give Champions a few mutations, and you won't sacrifice the aesthetics that you're looking for.

Kind Regards,
Vladsimpaler

Experiment 626 wrote:Now if you can find some way to score those old heresy-era style jumps packs...

Forge world actually makes Mk V heresy armor assault marines that would fit the bill nicely. Planning to pick up a squad or so for my nurgle army.

Skriker


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Vladsimpaler wrote:Yeah, like I can honestly see why you want to have a Librarian for the powers, and ultimately it's up to you and not some dude off the intarwebz. However I just feel that if it takes a paragraph to justify a single HQ choice then it probably isn't the best idea.

Why is this such an issue? It is a counts as army. It is *not* an actual librarian, but using the librarian rules to simulate something else. QED. It is only questionable if it was *really* a librarian in a khorne army which it isn't and which it won't be. He is only using the librarian rules to create a specific impresion on the table top.

Skriker

Dave, I read your fandex and wept. First for the beauty, that codex was EVERYTHING that the current chaos codex should have been. And secondly because those will never be the official rules D:
You have to send that to games workshop. We'll start a petition and get all of the chaos players to sign it, send it to games workshop and demand it gets "imperial sanction"(as forge world refers to it).
I have never been so inspired and heart broken at the same time. You sir, are a true artist!

As for that clean feel, as I'm sure you can imagine I didn't mean literally clean. These guys are going to be covered head to toe in gore! But I meant the feel of hardcore militant and organized. Not gibbering hordes of warped marines. Thats not to say there won't be gibbering, but these guys will save it until they're stuck in and covered in fresh blood.

Vlads, you make a very good point about how long something takes to explain. But consider that the spoken word translates much faster, a paragraph can be communicated effectively in under 15 seconds. I'm definitely still taking your input into account, you make very valid points. As I said before, I'm iffy on the librarian myself. I guess what i'm trying to do is maximize the use i can get out of the codex. If i put too many restrictions on myself lest I end up in the same boat when i used the chaos codex haha
By the way, you said you use the SW codex for your world eaters? Do you use zerkers on juggernauts as thunderwolf cav?


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Thank you striker!

and as for the jump packs I'm going to get some chapter house packs. I looked at the forge world assault marines(and they are NICE), but I'll be using khorne berzerker bodies and don't want to dish out the extra coin for the armor they come with.

Durza wrote:

mayfist wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:

Thus, like pretty much all "mono-God" list, all-Khorne is exceedingly unfluffy. Adding a few Tzeentch "Liberians" or other non-Khorne units would certainly help.

Troll spotted. That or man don't ever try to pretend you know frak about chaos fluff. Khorn HATES tzeentch and vice versa.

Actually, Tzeentch is neutral to Khorne. It's Nurgle he hates.

Oh brother.

You are both wrong.

Khorne/Slaanesh are diametrically opposed.

Nurgle/Tzeentch are diametrically opposed.

So a Khorne lord would happily party with any Nurgle or Tzeench forces. But no pleasure seeking freaks allowed.

do you hear the voices to wrote:

As for that clean feel, as I'm sure you can imagine I didn't mean literally clean. These guys are going to be covered head to toe in gore! But I meant the feel of hardcore militant and organized. Not gibbering hordes of warped marines. Thats not to say there won't be gibbering, but these guys will save it until they're stuck in and covered in fresh blood.

Vlads, you make a very good point about how long something takes to explain. But consider that the spoken word translates much faster, a paragraph can be communicated effectively in under 15 seconds. I'm definitely still taking your input into account, you make very valid points. As I said before, I'm iffy on the librarian myself. I guess what i'm trying to do is maximize the use i can get out of the codex. If i put too many restrictions on myself lest I end up in the same boat when i used the chaos codex haha

This is very true, I can definitely appreciate the fact that you're trying to do your own to maximize the codex which I think is cool. I'm gonna drop this now because it's becoming circular and I think we both know our individual positions on the whole matter haha

By the way, you said you use the SW codex for your world eaters? Do you use zerkers on juggernauts as thunderwolf cav?

Yes I do, and yes I do.
I will have to upload pics one day when I get back home from college. It's a pretty fun army to play. The new plastic juggernauts made converting a snap.

Although, as is the case with the newer Marine codices, you'll find that placing a restriction or 2 on yourself makes for an interesting match. I personally use units of 8 (Khorne's sacred number for the unaware, dontchaknow) and as such it makes for a more fluffy force. The newer codices are also so powerful that you can afford to make a few sacrifices for fluff without really hurting your fighting effectiveness.

As an example, I use a squad of 7 wolf guard and then stick a wolf lord in there. All of them have Terminator armor. I then use units of 8 Grey Hunters (Khorne Legionnaires) either on foot or in Rhinos, and then I use two units of 4 long fangs each (for a total of 8). It's still super good but it is also fluffy.

Anyway, that's all for now.

Kind Regards,
Vladsimpaler

Well the restriction I have at the moment aren't crippling, but are certainly noticeable. For instance, no stormravens, no sanguinary guard, no baal predators, and no razor backs. Most of those are pretty popular unit choices but I can't see the world eaters having any of them. So I'm definitely keeping some stuff in mind.
I totally forgot about the sacred number thing too! I just may have to include that!

Just wait for the Chaos Legions codex, I am.

Trust me, the new codex is my end game here. I'm just looking to pass the time. All of my models will be able to make the switch(if the rumors are right), and potentially 4 months is a long time to just wait it out with no chaotic progress.