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As I'm unsure whether these have any history in the fluff dating back further than when their models were(are) introduced, I was wondering what the history of them is.

here is forgeworlds new Storm-eagle model: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Home/Space_Marine_Stormeagle.html


thoughts?

Here's the new SE fluff:

Forge World Newsflash

Hi there,
We’re now only two days away from the Forge World Open Day on Sunday 1st April, and today we can officially announce that the Space Marine Storm Eagle Assault Gunship will be on sale there in limited numbers!

Space Marine Storm Eagle Assault Gunship
The legendary mobility of the Adeptus Astartes has won planet-spanning conflicts with a single strike; providing the precise application of deadly force at the point where it proved most decisive. A Chapter’s fleet of attack craft is the keystone that makes this possible, and it is the iconic Thunderhawks and Drop Pods that are at the forefront. Craft such as the Storm Eagle Assault Gunship follow close behind to lend their weapons to the devastating assault.

A formidable gunship, the Storm Eagle mounts fearsome firepower for a vehicle of its size and is capable of transporting twenty Space Marines directly into the thick of an assault. The exact provenance of the Storm Eagle is unknown, but it bears clear similarities to the Stormravens employed by the Blood Angels and Grey Knights. Certain sources place the principal manufacture of the Storm Eagle upon Tigrus and Anvilus IX, both primary-grade Forge Worlds that suffered catastrophic damage during the Horus Heresy.

In recent decades the number of Storm Eagles in active service has begun to increase, especially amongst those Chapters known to have favourable relations with the Adeptus Mechanicus. This has lead some observers to believe that production has been restored at an as yet unknown location.
Designed by Stuart Williamson, the Storm Eagle is a complete resin and plastic kit which is packed with some incredible design work, including a fully detailed interior. It will be available to purchase in limited numbers at the Forge World Open Day on Sunday 1st April, in advance of its scheduled release date, for £80.

hmmmm not wholly what I was after, as I'm looking for info on dates of use, as in were they used during and before the heresy.

AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:hmmmm not wholly what I was after, as I'm looking for info on dates of use, as in were they used during and before the heresy.

The quote hints that they are a pre-heresy design that was revived

Certain sources place the principal manufacture of the Storm Eagle upon Tigrus and Anvilus IX, both primary-grade Forge Worlds that suffered catastrophic damage during the Horus Heresy.

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Also, Stormravens are listed as rediscovered in the 41st (BA Codex) and 'Been in service for Milennia' GK Codex. No word of them in HH materials, so take that as you will.

Hmmm thats what I was thinking...

As I'm looking to buy or make a preheresy troop transport...

... possibly a Shark assault boat.

AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:Hmmm thats what I was thinking...

As I'm looking to buy or make a preheresy troop transport...

... possibly a Shark assault boat.

Thunderhawks were used pre-heresy (Models), as were Stormbirds (no models).

I think there's mention of a Stormhawk in one book but it may have been a typo.

Non-flying wise, land raiders and rhinos were in full use.

AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:hmmmm not wholly what I was after, as I'm looking for info on dates of use, as in were they used during and before the heresy.

Well if it's talking about "Restoring Production" and "Bearing similarities to the Stormraven currently in service with the Blood Angels and GK" then it must be 40k, not great-Crusade/Heresy era.

The Stormraven is actually a fairly recent development in 40k. Much more recent than the Thunderhawk, which entered service toward the end of the Great Crusade

yeah I know the land based transports. Its the space/air based ones that im unsure of. not stuff I ever looked at before, and I've been playing 20+ years lol

pretre wrote:

AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:hmmmm not wholly what I was after, as I'm looking for info on dates of use, as in were they used during and before the heresy.

The quote hints that they are a pre-heresy design that was revived

Certain sources place the principal manufacture of the Storm Eagle upon Tigrus and Anvilus IX, both primary-grade Forge Worlds that suffered catastrophic damage during the Horus Heresy.

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Also, Stormravens are listed as rediscovered in the 41st (BA Codex) and 'Been in service for Milennia' GK Codex. No word of them in HH materials, so take that as you will.

I'm pretty sure that if the Stormraven had "Been in Service for Millennia, most chapters would have access to them, right? I would most likely take the BA codex description as canon.

The GK codex implies that they are using Stormravens which were already built while Blood Angels makes it as though the STC was rediscovered allowing for manufacturing and they were given Stormravens for finding said STC or in trade for the Baal Predator.

That's not actually too unbelievable, to be honest, as the AM has been after the Baal Predator design for quite awhile.

CxOrillion wrote:I'm pretty sure that if the Stormraven had "Been in Service for Millennia, most chapters would have access to them, right? I would most likely take the BA codex description as canon.

Nope, because it has been in service with the GK, who are pretty secretive.

Kanluwen wrote:The GK codex implies that they are using Stormravens which were already built while Blood Angels makes it as though the STC was rediscovered allowing for manufacturing and they were given Stormravens for finding said STC or in trade for the Baal Predator.

That's not actually too unbelievable, to be honest, as the AM has been after the Baal Predator design for quite awhile.

Ah ok. I took the "Been in service" thing to mean that they were being manufactured actively for Milennia. The bit about trading the AM for the Baal Pred also makes sense.


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Even so, in the Storm-Eagle description it mentions the Stormraven as in-service with the Blood Angels, meaning that the Storm-Eagle is a M41 vehicle.

That could change, if we receive information that the Stormraven was, in fact, in service during the HH. There's no mention of it as of yet, though obviously that could change.

CxOrillion wrote:Even so, in the Storm-Eagle description it mentions the Stormraven as in-service with the Blood Angels, meaning that the Storm-Eagle is a M41 vehicle.

That could change, if we receive information that the Stormraven was, in fact, in service during the HH. There's no mention of it as of yet, though obviously that could change.

I don't understand your first sentence. Just because something mentions something that is in service now doesn't mean it wasn't in service earlier.

Anyone have any idea of the sizes? How much bigger is it than a stormraven?

but without proof of earlier existence we can only only surmise it is a recent addition.

pretre wrote:

CxOrillion wrote:Even so, in the Storm-Eagle description it mentions the Stormraven as in-service with the Blood Angels, meaning that the Storm-Eagle is a M41 vehicle.

That could change, if we receive information that the Stormraven was, in fact, in service during the HH. There's no mention of it as of yet, though obviously that could change.

I don't understand your first sentence. Just because something mentions something that is in service now doesn't mean it wasn't in service earlier.

It does when the BA codex explicitly states that the STC for the Stormraven was just discovered (Early M41), and that Stormravens are just entering production, which explains why only the GK and BA have access to them.

As for the size of the Storm-Eagle, I would guess it's probably about the same length as the Stormraven, but it doesn't have the open area for hauling a dreadnought around, and that makes the body a bit larger. Also looks a bit shorter, height-wise than the Stormraven, but I can't be sure.

CxOrillion wrote:

pretre wrote:

CxOrillion wrote:Even so, in the Storm-Eagle description it mentions the Stormraven as in-service with the Blood Angels, meaning that the Storm-Eagle is a M41 vehicle.

That could change, if we receive information that the Stormraven was, in fact, in service during the HH. There's no mention of it as of yet, though obviously that could change.

I don't understand your first sentence. Just because something mentions something that is in service now doesn't mean it wasn't in service earlier.

It does when the BA codex explicitly states that the STC for the Stormraven was just discovered (Early M41), and that Stormravens are just entering production, which explains why only the GK and BA have access to them.

As for the size of the Storm-Eagle, I would guess it's probably about the same length as the Stormraven, but it doesn't have the open area for hauling a dreadnought around, and that makes the body a bit larger. Also looks a bit shorter, height-wise than the Stormraven, but I can't be sure.

It'll be based on the existing dimensions of the storm-raven tbh. they tend to keep things uniform in that respect. the only difference I see is it looks like the damned quin-jet from the avengers

CxOrillion wrote:As for the size of the Storm-Eagle, I would guess it's probably about the same length as the Stormraven, but it doesn't have the open area for hauling a dreadnought around, and that makes the body a bit larger. Also looks a bit shorter, height-wise than the Stormraven, but I can't be sure.

If it is, I'll be pretty happy as then if I ever buy a stormraven, I can get the chapterhouse conversion kit and could probably get away with counting it as either.

Yeah, I think thats why they are pushing the storm-eagle out now to try and counter the chapterhouse release.

CxOrillion wrote:It does when the BA codex explicitly states that the STC for the Stormraven was just discovered (Early M41), and that Stormravens are just entering production, which explains why only the GK and BA have access to them.

No. The BA version of the StormRaven was just found in Early M41. The GK have been using their own version for Millenia. Check the GK Codex.

This is entirely possible since multiple STCs for the same item existed. It just happened that the GK weren't sharing and then the BA found one.

pretre wrote:Also, Stormravens are listed as rediscovered in the 41st (BA Codex) and 'Been in service for Milennia' GK Codex. No word of them in HH materials, so take that as you will.

Yeah, sometimes Ward can really let fluff slip... in between two of his codexes...

BlapBlapBlap wrote:

pretre wrote:Also, Stormravens are listed as rediscovered in the 41st (BA Codex) and 'Been in service for Milennia' GK Codex. No word of them in HH materials, so take that as you will.

Yeah, sometimes Ward can really let fluff slip... in between two of his codexes...

Drop the hip Ward hate; it's over we get it... You're cool like everyone else and hate Ward. Thanks.

That being said, it isn't a slip.

GK have had the Stormraven for a long time (GK Codex) but don't share the design because they are a secretive organization with better gear than most others.

BA find an STC (which means it is Pre-Heresy btw, since no STCs have been made since then) for it and produce it in parallel. This would also explain the differences in loadout, etc.

pretre wrote:

BlapBlapBlap wrote:

pretre wrote:Also, Stormravens are listed as rediscovered in the 41st (BA Codex) and 'Been in service for Milennia' GK Codex. No word of them in HH materials, so take that as you will.

Yeah, sometimes Ward can really let fluff slip... in between two of his codexes...

Drop the hip Ward hate; it's over we get it... You're cool like everyone else and hate Ward. Thanks.

That being said, it isn't a slip.

GK have had the Stormraven for a long time (GK Codex) but don't share the design because they are a secretive organization with better gear than most others.

BA find an STC (which means it is Pre-Heresy btw, since no STCs have been made since then) for it and produce it in parallel. This would also explain the differences in loadout, etc.

Yes, it's pre-heresy, but there's no indication of how far pre-heresy. The Stormraven may not have been in service at all in the Great Crusade, and we have nothing suggesting that it was.

And I'm not saying that the GK didn't have Stormravens before BA. I'm saying that in order for the BA to have Stormravens, the time-frame in question must be mid to late M41. So in order for the Stormraven to be in service for BOTH the BA and GK, we must be talking about M41 time-frame.

That, and the GK didn't exist in the Great Crusade/Pre-Heresy era.

Also, And I'm not saying you're wrong, but IS there any difference between the BA and GK loadouts, other than the psychic pilot and missile payloads? I honestly don't know, as I don't own the GK codex and haven't really had the time to sit down with one.

CxOrillion wrote:Yes, it's pre-heresy, but there's no indication of how far pre-heresy. The Stormraven may not have been in service at all in the Great Crusade, and we have nothing suggesting that it was.

What do you think was immediately preceding the Heresy? The Great Crusade. Oh yeah, because Horus took it over from the Big E right before he went rogue.

And I'm not saying that the GK didn't have Stormravens before BA. I'm saying that in order for the BA to have Stormravens, the time-frame in question must be mid to late M41. So in order for the Stormraven to be in service for BOTH the BA and GK, we must be talking about M41 time-frame.

Wrong, The GK have had it for Millennia

The Stormraven Gunship has been in the Grey Knights' service for millennia

That's not M41. Plural Millennia means at least M39 and I think we're talking longer than that.

That, and the GK didn't exist in the Great Crusade/Pre-Heresy era.

In this, you are correct.

Also, And I'm not saying you're wrong, but IS there any difference between the BA and GK loadouts, other than the psychic pilot and missile payloads? I honestly don't know, as I don't own the GK codex and haven't really had the time to sit down with one.

Ahh, and there's the problem. Go ahead and find a copy of the GK dex and read up on their SR fluff. That might help a bit. And no, you identified the loadout differences.


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Also, STCs are, by definition, from before the Heresy and the Great Crusade.

The STC (Standard Template Construct) systems were complex analytical and processing systems created in the Dark Age of Technology. They are said to have contained the entirety of human technological knowledge up to that point.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/STC

Why can't new releases like these two flyers just be something that has always existed but is just now being made as a model? Everything new seems to be some kind of discovery of an ancient powerful artifact. Obviously the Space marines have always been using some sort of space-to-ground transport shuttle, and they are sure to be armed, why can't the Storm Raven/Hawk just be one of those and not have all the goofy contradictory fluff??

AegisGrimm wrote:Why can't new releases like these two flyers just be something that has always existed but is just now being made as a model? Everything new seems to be some kind of discovery of an ancient powerful artifact. Obviously the Space marines have always been using some sort of space-to-ground transport shuttle, and they are sure to be armed, why can't the Storm Raven/Hawk just be one of those and not have all the goofy contradictory fluff??

Because they were never mentioned before. There are several groups of vehicles
1) Existing vehicles that there are models for
2) Existing vehicles that there are no models for
3) Non-existing vehicles that there are no models for

Group 1 is pretty big. Group 2 is pretty small. If you want to add new models for specific roles, you need to work in group 3.

AegisGrimm wrote:Why can't new releases like these two flyers just be something that has always existed but is just now being made as a model? Everything new seems to be some kind of discovery of an ancient powerful artifact. Obviously the Space marines have always been using some sort of space-to-ground transport shuttle, and they are sure to be armed, why can't the Storm Raven/Hawk just be one of those and not have all the goofy contradictory fluff??

Because that would mean GW would have to pull its thumb out and actually work as a team when writing background.

pretre wrote:

CxOrillion wrote:Yes, it's pre-heresy, but there's no indication of how far pre-heresy. The Stormraven may not have been in service at all in the Great Crusade, and we have nothing suggesting that it was.

What do you think was immediately preceding the Heresy? The Great Crusade. Oh yeah, because Horus took it over from the Big E right before he went rogue.

And I'm not saying that the GK didn't have Stormravens before BA. I'm saying that in order for the BA to have Stormravens, the time-frame in question must be mid to late M41. So in order for the Stormraven to be in service for BOTH the BA and GK, we must be talking about M41 time-frame.

Wrong, The GK have had it for Millennia

The Stormraven Gunship has been in the Grey Knights' service for millennia

That's not M41. Plural Millennia means at least M39 and I think we're talking longer than that.

That, and the GK didn't exist in the Great Crusade/Pre-Heresy era.

In this, you are correct.

Also, And I'm not saying you're wrong, but IS there any difference between the BA and GK loadouts, other than the psychic pilot and missile payloads? I honestly don't know, as I don't own the GK codex and haven't really had the time to sit down with one.

Ahh, and there's the problem. Go ahead and find a copy of the GK dex and read up on their SR fluff. That might help a bit. And no, you identified the loadout differences.


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Also, STCs are, by definition, from before the Heresy and the Great Crusade.

The STC (Standard Template Construct) systems were complex analytical and processing systems created in the Dark Age of Technology. They are said to have contained the entirety of human technological knowledge up to that point.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/STC

Did you read what I wrote? I never said in my last post that the GK stormraven wasn't predating M41. I'm saying that the stormraven in the BA armory exists in only M41 (as far as we know). logically, in order for the Stormraven to be used by both forces, the time frame in question is M41.

You're breaking down my post like you're compiling arguments against what I'm saying, but you're not contradicting what I'm saying...

I R confuzzled.

CxOrillion wrote:Did you read what I wrote?

Yep

I never said in my last post that the GK stormraven wasn't predating M41. I'm saying that the stormraven in the BA armory exists in only M41 (as far as we know). logically, in order for the Stormraven to be used by both forces, the time frame in question is M41.

The highlighted part is the part of your statement that I don't understand. Rephrase?

YOU TWO, QUIT ARGUING.