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Anyone have a beef with a certain race's benifits, or vehicle design / rule? Throw it on here if you want to hash it out. (IE: what purpose do the normal , non-enhanced Dark Eldar sails have on an Anti-grav , engine propelled skimmer, etc).

Well it depends if the sails are solid or material. If they are solid then they would act as very useful steering devises, as the anti grav only provides up and down movement along a surface and the thrusters only give forward projection they would need a way to steer.

Dante. If anyone in the Imperium should have Eternal Warrior it is him.

Actually, whether metal or fabric, the sails are the steering devices given that it's only got vertical lift and forward thrust.

I thought that'd fall upon the big ass rudder at the back. Honestly, I like them and think they should be larger somehow, yet, I don't see them as functional.
I only started this thread to direct Fluff from hitting the YMDC threads, as they often do. I find topics often stray from the original post into Fluff discussions, long after the original question has been answered.

Castiel, I agree, although I don't play Blood Angels, I know a few who do. I am surprised he isn't and Eternal Warrior too.

To be honest I was suprised Meph wasn't eternal warrior. Same goes for Swarmlord and some of the chaos lords but I'm not complaining because it's always funny watching Meph etc kill themselves when they fail mss.

worldwarme wrote:Castiel, I agree, although I don't play Blood Angels, I know a few who do. I am surprised he isn't and Eternal Warrior too.

I don't play them either, but I don't see any reason why Dante shouldn't.

Swarmlord should be Eternal Warrior.
The Avatar should be Eternal Warrior.

Castiel wrote:Dante. If anyone in the Imperium should have Eternal Warrior it is him.

word.


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Personally I'm kind of tired of all the tn 4 troops out there. That's supposed to be a space marine thing. They're supposed to be elite, but in point of fact they're the baseline that most armies start from and work their way up from. Which means they aren't really elite at all.

People want eternal warrior on units with toughness higher than 5

Maybe you guys should stop jumping in front of Grey Knight squads

Its only natural when every single guy in the army has a force weapon. Really, what are people with other armies supposed to think?

That you shouldn't throw your super expensive model onto a insta-death stick

Besides, GK are the only army that give these units problems. Everyone else still has to beat them down the old fashion way.

So..... if the whole army is full of instant-death sticks.... the other guy should.... go screw himself? Do you really not understand why this situation irritates people?

GreatGunz wrote:So..... if the whole army is full of instant-death sticks.... the other guy should.... go screw himself? Do you really not understand why this situation irritates people?

They could maybe leave their big, expensive, non-eternal-warrior at home?

I mean, if you're planning on facing GreY Knights, who excel at killing expensive multi-wound models, why would you take expensive, multi-wound models?

Kaldor wrote:

GreatGunz wrote:So..... if the whole army is full of instant-death sticks.... the other guy should.... go screw himself? Do you really not understand why this situation irritates people?

They could maybe leave their big, expensive, non-eternal-warrior at home?

I mean, if you're planning on facing GreY Knights, who excel at killing expensive multi-wound models, why would you take expensive, multi-wound models?

They pretty much excel at everything, what should I take then?

Shooty Vrs Punchy, Punchy Vrs Shooty: First rule I ever learned about this game. GK or anybody else are still allergic to excessive firepower.

Kaldor wrote:

GreatGunz wrote:So..... if the whole army is full of instant-death sticks.... the other guy should.... go screw himself? Do you really not understand why this situation irritates people?

They could maybe leave their big, expensive, non-eternal-warrior at home?

I mean, if you're planning on facing Grey Knights, who excel at killing expensive multi-wound models, why would you take expensive, multi-wound models?

And if I find myself facing GK in a pick-up game?

IMO they need to cut down on the Eternal Warrior on almost every single named HQ. I like that Dante Doesn't Have it.

You might be one of the oldest Space Marines and a brilliant Tactician, but that shouldn't allow you to take a railgun to the Chest and go "It was only a flesh Wound!"

Kaldor wrote:

GreatGunz wrote:So..... if the whole army is full of instant-death sticks.... the other guy should.... go screw himself? Do you really not understand why this situation irritates people?

They could maybe leave their big, expensive, non-eternal-warrior at home?

I mean, if you're planning on facing GreY Knights, who excel at killing expensive multi-wound models, why would you take expensive, multi-wound models?

So no "big, expensive, non-eternal-warriors" in tournaments? Just incase you get in fight with GKs?

I myself see no problem with swarmlord (and other unique strong HQ's with T of 5-6) being eternal warrior, it just makes him (them) a more valid to pick since GK have a way to easy time killing of "big, expensive, non-eternal-warriors". I wouldn't even have a problem with a eternal unique HQ with a T of 10 since the only real army that don't have a problem with this is GK and that don't really seem all to fair for me.

Oh and for the record I really don't think GK's are OP.

Kaldor wrote:

GreatGunz wrote:So..... if the whole army is full of instant-death sticks.... the other guy should.... go screw himself? Do you really not understand why this situation irritates people?

They could maybe leave their big, expensive, non-eternal-warrior at home?

I mean, if you're planning on facing GreY Knights, who excel at killing expensive multi-wound models, why would you take expensive, multi-wound models?

So not only are suggesting I tailor my list, but also that I leave 75% of the nid codex, nobs, anything with FNP, haemunculi armies, ogryn, every single HQ without EW which is every non-character and most characters, ect because of Grey Knights...

Kaldor wrote:

GreatGunz wrote:So..... if the whole army is full of instant-death sticks.... the other guy should.... go screw himself? Do you really not understand why this situation irritates people?

They could maybe leave their big, expensive, non-eternal-warrior at home?

I mean, if you're planning on facing GreY Knights, who excel at killing expensive multi-wound models, why would you take expensive, multi-wound models?

But that would be list tailoring, which 90% of people seem to consider double heresy. It really makes no sense that say Lucius the Eternal wouldn't have Eternal Warrior anyway.

There's a simple explanation for why Dante doesn't have eternal warrior:

He's been around so long he's already used up all of his extra lives.

Mephiston doesn't have it because, as a psyker, he can hood the enemy's force weapon activation. He's also T6 and pretty damn near invulnerable as is.

Chesh wrote:There's a simple explanation for why Dante doesn't have eternal warrior:

He's been around so long he's already used up all of his extra lives.

Hehe best explanation xD

Chesh wrote:There's a simple explanation for why Dante doesn't have eternal warrior:

He's been around so long he's already used up all of his extra lives.

Well played, sir!

If he holds on, wont that wolf have a situation with its neck being outside of its body?

Luke_Prowler wrote:That you shouldn't throw your super expensive model onto a insta-death stick

Besides, GK are the only army that give these units problems. Everyone else still has to beat them down the old fashion way.

Apparently you've missed out on lols when those guys kill themselves due to mindshackle scarabs. lol

I've suicided Mephiston twice now, thanks to perils fails. Those dice have been purged BY FIRE.

Surtur wrote:

Kaldor wrote:

GreatGunz wrote:So..... if the whole army is full of instant-death sticks.... the other guy should.... go screw himself? Do you really not understand why this situation irritates people?

They could maybe leave their big, expensive, non-eternal-warrior at home?

I mean, if you're planning on facing GreY Knights, who excel at killing expensive multi-wound models, why would you take expensive, multi-wound models?

So not only are suggesting I tailor my list, but also that I leave 75% of the nid codex, nobs, anything with FNP, haemunculi armies, ogryn, every single HQ without EW which is every non-character and most characters, ect because of Grey Knights...

I'm suggesting that tailoring your list is natural and preferable to TAC lists (tournaments aside) and you should definately leave certain things at home when playing against Grey Knights. Just as you should leave other things at home against other armies.

Kaldor wrote:

Surtur wrote:

Kaldor wrote:

GreatGunz wrote:So..... if the whole army is full of instant-death sticks.... the other guy should.... go screw himself? Do you really not understand why this situation irritates people?

They could maybe leave their big, expensive, non-eternal-warrior at home?

I mean, if you're planning on facing GreY Knights, who excel at killing expensive multi-wound models, why would you take expensive, multi-wound models?

So not only are suggesting I tailor my list, but also that I leave 75% of the nid codex, nobs, anything with FNP, haemunculi armies, ogryn, every single HQ without EW which is every non-character and most characters, ect because of Grey Knights...

I'm suggesting that tailoring your list is natural and preferable to TAC lists (tournaments aside) and you should definately leave certain things at home when playing against Grey Knights. Just as you should leave other things at home against other armies.

By "leave things at home" you mean "your army", right?

...Draigo...

...Goddam Draigo...