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Exergy wrote:Is it just me or is this thread going way off track?

For me this is about fluff that does not make sense. I think there are other threads to complain about EW and how a lot of characters should have it while a lot of units need it in the current meta. For me fluffwise it should only be given to Daemons and characters that just keep coming back from death like the phonex lords but GW has this idea that every codex should have 1 EW special character so you have Yarik, Draigo, the Sangiuor etc.

Fluffwise just dont understand the new necrons. They are a timeless race of machines that never ages, but they went to sleep long ago for no good reason. If you dont age why wouldnt you just stay awake forever? They now quest to regain their flesh and souls but have no clue how to accomplish that.

DE mandrakes dont make sense to me. Now according to the GK FAQ they are daemons, in a soceity that hates daemons and is afraid of them.

Thats just GW tomfoolery, they are from a province of Commorragh

Castiel wrote:Dante. If anyone in the Imperium should have Eternal Warrior it is him.

I AGREE SO MUCH.

Why must one of the Imperium's oldest and most skilled warriors be cleaved in two by some crazy sergeant waving round a power fist who got lucky?

Although, another thing I would justify is Sanguinary Guard. The codex describes them as elite warriors, yet they're the same skill as a terminator. I'd also probably give them a Storm Shield type thing, dispose of the Boltgun, replace Glaive with Relic Blade then Bump up 50 or 75pts. That's what I call game balancing. However, I know an army that can counter GK quite well... hehehe...

Seriously though, STOP WHINGING ABOUT OP CODEXES, LIST TAILORING AND GET BACK ON TOPIC.

BlapBlapBlap wrote:

Castiel wrote:Dante. If anyone in the Imperium should have Eternal Warrior it is him.

I AGREE SO MUCH.

Why must one of the Imperium's oldest and most skilled warriors be cleaved in two by some crazy sergeant waving round a power fist who got lucky?

Skilled, maybe, but the only reason why he's old is because he only ever goes into battle when the opposing leader/general has the flu and isn't fighting at 100%.

Jayden63 wrote:

BlapBlapBlap wrote:

Castiel wrote:Dante. If anyone in the Imperium should have Eternal Warrior it is him.

I AGREE SO MUCH.

Why must one of the Imperium's oldest and most skilled warriors be cleaved in two by some crazy sergeant waving round a power fist who got lucky?

Skilled, maybe, but the only reason why he's old is because he only ever goes into battle when the opposing leader/general has the flu and isn't fighting at 100%.

But notice how Draigo can randomly perils and take a wound, whilst mighty heroes that have been around for ages that aren't GK can get insta-gibbed by one of the easiest to spam weapons in the game, the ML.

Dante is one of those special cases where you pay his points for his gifts not for his stats.

By the time Dante gets insta-gibbed he already has performed everything he needs to do on the table top, so him not having EW really isn't a game changer.

1 - The other guys HQ is still gimped for the rest of the game.
2 - Your sanginary guard are still scoring for the rest of the game
4 - Him and his unit (what ever they may be) have already hit the table without scattering.
3 - He has already had at least 1 round of HTH in which to swing his axe. (I can only think of two armies that would even have the chance of taking him and his squad down with S8 shooting on the turn he deepstrikes, because why would you ever put a S8 shot onto him unless you had too)

So if he gets gibbed in turn 2 (the soonest it could possibly happen) and if you are playing to his strengths it wont matter. In most cases the soonest it will realistically happen is on turn 3 and if it does happen until turns 5-7 all is golden. If he has stayed alive that long, chances are the damage has already been done.

TheAngrySquig wrote:Why do Dark Eldar not have a slave unit? Like 3 points a piece for some terrible guy that you can take 50 of or something.

They torture their slaves to death so they can live. Taking them along on a raid wouldn't make much sense to me IMO.

Can I advocate for more invulnerable saves for nids, especially the big ones? Not for free, perhaps an upgrade at say 50pts or something.

Yes there is a fluff point - the fluff suggests that nids are able to breed organisms to meet specific threats, but they don't seem to be able to do so in the case of high S and low AP heavy weapons. OK carnies and hive tyrants are tough but their puny saves mean they can be carved apart by heavy weapons fire and render the value of things like the flyrant very questionable indeed.

Also why bother to breed such hugely biomass heavy creatures and not give them decent protection? I'd happily see it just as a 6+ but they need some sort of invulnerable save, it just fits the fluff better.

The fact that ANY human even HAS Eternal Warrior is kind of weird but whatever.

I also like the point about Guardsmen Sergeants not having access to Lasguns for some reason even though in the fluff they have plenty of them.

Well, I am at least glad that a few folks caught on that this wasn't a dedicated page to the Grey Knights and those who play them. Thanks to Exergy and others who understood that, and to those GK players who were so heated a way back there, I am glad you found some common ground.

DE have one slave unit which is the Medussae, or at least thats what I thought.

I can't help but feel that Chaos Sorcerors should get immunity from Perils of the Warp. They've bargained with daemons for their powers, why can't they use those bargains for protection as well?

Tzeentch Sorcerors should get something akin to the Ghosthlem, perhaps a Warp Affinity rule that allows them to ignore perils on a 4+. Nurgle and Slaanesh should be affected as usual, because Daemons are fickle and they're neither trained in, nor have the knowledge to, deal with daemons to the same extent as a Tzeentch Sorceror.

If a Sorceror targets a Khornate unit, however, then he should succumb to perils on any roll of a double, to showcase Khorne's distate for sorcery.