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A guy at my wargaming club has wanted to enter the 40k tournement scene lately. His army of choice is Imperial Guard. However every model in it (bar the Leman Russes and Chimeras) are the classic Aliens Colonial Marines rip offs that GW produced sometime in the eighties as a new line of Guard models that was discontinued. Now would the average tournement allow their use? I mean they are actually GW models, but they're also pretty old and its unlikely that anyone's ever heard of them other than die hard collectors. All the models are WYSIWYG-ie the smart gun is a heavy bolter, the flamer....is well a flamer. Oh and no, he doesn't intend to use the later run of minis that were produced by the designer after he had left GW (though he does use them in regular games).

Thoughts?

The rule is, if GW printed it, he can play it. 40k models, unlike magic cards, do not ever become obsolete. EVER.
(provided there are still rules for the fig, that is.)

Why not?

Its my understanding that they don't allow OOP vehicles like the Land Raider kit, thus it was my thinking that it translated to infantry. He wants to be certain that he can actually play with the army before he finishes it though (like I said his current one is made from two ranges, so if he wants to play one totally from the GW one he'd need to paint up some limited edition figures).

I haven't played in a tournament that disallowed a GW model.

I think it's really up to your Tournament Organizer - I'd check with him.

Wyrmalla wrote:A guy at my wargaming club has wanted to enter the 40k tournement scene lately. His army of choice is Imperial Guard. However every model in it (bar the Leman Russes and Chimeras) are the classic Aliens Colonial Marines rip offs that GW produced sometime in the eighties as a new line of Guard models that was discontinued. Now would the average tournement allow their use? I mean they are actually GW models, but they're also pretty old and its unlikely that anyone's ever heard of them other than die hard collectors. All the models are WYSIWYG-ie the smart gun is a heavy bolter, the flamer....is well a flamer. Oh and no, he doesn't intend to use the later run of minis that were produced by the designer after he had left GW (though he does use them in regular games).

Thoughts?

My thought is that I'm curious as to why this even bothers you. They're GW models, and they're WYSIWYG. They also look a thousand times better than the plastic IG crapadians and crapachans we have today. The only "old" GW model I've have some problem playing is the old Avatar which was the size of a space marine, not a monstrous creature

Obviously you think something is wrong otherwise you wouldn't have bothered to write a paragraph about it, so what's up?

Kind Regards,
Vladsimpaler

Vladsimpaler wrote:

Wyrmalla wrote:A guy at my wargaming club has wanted to enter the 40k tournement scene lately. His army of choice is Imperial Guard. However every model in it (bar the Leman Russes and Chimeras) are the classic Aliens Colonial Marines rip offs that GW produced sometime in the eighties as a new line of Guard models that was discontinued. Now would the average tournement allow their use? I mean they are actually GW models, but they're also pretty old and its unlikely that anyone's ever heard of them other than die hard collectors. All the models are WYSIWYG-ie the smart gun is a heavy bolter, the flamer....is well a flamer. Oh and no, he doesn't intend to use the later run of minis that were produced by the designer after he had left GW (though he does use them in regular games).

Thoughts?

My thought is that I'm curious as to why this even bothers you. They're GW models, and they're WYSIWYG. They also look a thousand times better than the plastic IG crapadians and crapachans we have today. The only "old" GW model I've have some problem playing is the old Avatar which was the size of a space marine, not a monstrous creature

Obviously you think something is wrong otherwise you wouldn't have bothered to write a paragraph about it, so what's up?

Kind Regards,
Vladsimpaler

Anyway, with GW not supporting the Tournments anymore it wouldn't raise any eyebrows if GW models weren't required.

GW models are GW models forever. Even if there aren't rules for a particular thing, you can usually find a suitable counts as. My Thudd Gun is a Thunderfire Cannon, my Rapier is a Conversion Beamer, and so on.

I know a guy who while he no longer plays the hobby still has all his old miniatures including a few models that were literally cardboard cutouts that when you turn them sideways are near impossible to see from certain directions. Made true line of sight a bitch but he only jokingly used them anyways. As far as I am aware they are still tournament legal, so I don't see an issue with actual models on bases.

IcedAnimals wrote:I know a guy who while he no longer plays the hobby still has all his old miniatures including a few models that were literally cardboard cutouts that when you turn them sideways are near impossible to see from certain directions. Made true line of sight a bitch but he only jokingly used them anyways. As far as I am aware they are still tournament legal, so I don't see an issue with actual models on bases.

Isn't there some sort of cardboard Deff Dred that is legal for tourney use that everyone hates? I remember hearing about it and getting a good laugh. I didn't know there were others though.

Vladsimpaler wrote:

Wyrmalla wrote:A guy at my wargaming club has wanted to enter the 40k tournement scene lately. His army of choice is Imperial Guard. However every model in it (bar the Leman Russes and Chimeras) are the classic Aliens Colonial Marines rip offs that GW produced sometime in the eighties as a new line of Guard models that was discontinued. Now would the average tournement allow their use? I mean they are actually GW models, but they're also pretty old and its unlikely that anyone's ever heard of them other than die hard collectors. All the models are WYSIWYG-ie the smart gun is a heavy bolter, the flamer....is well a flamer. Oh and no, he doesn't intend to use the later run of minis that were produced by the designer after he had left GW (though he does use them in regular games).

Thoughts?

My thought is that I'm curious as to why this even bothers you. They're GW models, and they're WYSIWYG. They also look a thousand times better than the plastic IG crapadians and crapachans we have today. The only "old" GW model I've have some problem playing is the old Avatar which was the size of a space marine, not a monstrous creature

Obviously you think something is wrong otherwise you wouldn't have bothered to write a paragraph about it, so what's up?

Kind Regards,
Vladsimpaler

That last bit sounded a little judgemental, but whatever. Like I said, he really wants to be certain that its allowable before he takes the plunge and starts paiting up some old models. He'll be contacting the tournement organisors at some point, but he doesn't know when his army'll be finished so doesn't really want to jump the gun a little. The main issue is that their pretty obscure and I would have imagined that their authentisity would be called into question, as was I confused over the point that the older vehicle kits were no longer allowed.

Someone in my FLGS contantly goes to tournaments and fields several squads of old style termies and a tiny OOP Rhino (a baby Rhino lol )

Nom

GreatGunz wrote:The rule is, if GW printed it, he can play it. 40k models, unlike magic cards, do not ever become obsolete. EVER.
(provided there are still rules for the fig, that is.)

Funny, this was the same argument I used when a Magic player said we were stupid for playing Warhammer...

In short, yes, as long as it fairly represents what you are claiming it os, no TO who doesn't have some stupid axe to grind will turn you away. I have seen lots of old rhinos where I play, and no one gets bent out of shape about them. Haven't heard a cross word about ky old hive tyrant or carnifexes, either.

In the tourney I'm going to, it's fine as long as he's not doing it to model for advantage, like the tiny Avatar.

Wyrmalla wrote:Like I said, he really wants to be certain that its allowable before he takes the plunge and starts paiting up some old models. He'll be contacting the tournement organisors at some point, but he doesn't know when his army'll be finished so doesn't really want to jump the gun a little. The main issue is that their pretty obscure and I would have imagined that their authentisity would be called into question, as was I confused over the point that the older vehicle kits were no longer allowed.

Are there even any more GW supported tournaments that dictate that all GW models are required?

Pacific wrote:

Wyrmalla wrote:Like I said, he really wants to be certain that its allowable before he takes the plunge and starts paiting up some old models. He'll be contacting the tournement organisors at some point, but he doesn't know when his army'll be finished so doesn't really want to jump the gun a little. The main issue is that their pretty obscure and I would have imagined that their authentisity would be called into question, as was I confused over the point that the older vehicle kits were no longer allowed.

Are there even any more GW supported tournaments that dictate that all GW models are required?

Not a clue, he just seems to think it would be required at most. I'm not really the one that wants to know, just querying for a guy without any forums. =P

I'd like to see these models. hey don't sound like anything I've ever seen by GW.

All the IG models are about the same size. The older models are just a little smaller, Like plague marines and the new plastic kits. Like its been said, there should be much reason as to why they can't be used. But its really up to the TO in this case. Personally i would play against some one using the older models. That includes the old land raider or rhino. I have played against ork players who have small tanks then the old land raider. And there hasn't been an issue.

Wyrmalla wrote:A guy at my wargaming club has wanted to enter the 40k tournement scene lately. His army of choice is Imperial Guard. However every model in it (bar the Leman Russes and Chimeras) are the classic Aliens Colonial Marines rip offs that GW produced sometime in the eighties as a new line of Guard models that was discontinued. Now would the average tournement allow their use? I mean they are actually GW models, but they're also pretty old and its unlikely that anyone's ever heard of them other than die hard collectors. All the models are WYSIWYG-ie the smart gun is a heavy bolter, the flamer....is well a flamer. Oh and no, he doesn't intend to use the later run of minis that were produced by the designer after he had left GW (though he does use them in regular games).

Thoughts?

Ask on Warhammer Worlds facebook wall, they're pretty clue'd up (and rightly so) or run it by the organiser =)