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2012/04/06 16:51:40
Subject: Let's Talk 1911s
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Imperial Admiral
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Yep, another gun thread. Sorry.
I've been contemplating picking up a 1911 for quite a while now, and I've always held off. I love my HK45C, but I have tiny little carnie hands, and Mr. Browning apparently designed the 1911 exclusively for me. It fits better and I shoot it better than anything else I've ever touched. The HK's a beautiful if soulless thing, but the 1911 softly sings my name while pouring me a glass of scotch and lighting my cigarette. I can only resist such seduction for so long.
The candidates have been narrowed down to the Dan Wesson Valor and the Les Baer Custom Carry. We're going fairly high end, as I only have a few more months of being utterly irresponsible with my money left. The Valor (or Valor Bobtail, haven't decided) should win this; it's more accurate than I'll ever be, the VBOB in particular's designed for carry, and it's a good-looking gun. I'm ashamed to admit, however, that the allure of the hand-crafted, guaranteed 3" group at 50 yards Baer is preventing me from pulling the trigger on the Valor. Baer won't bobtail their guns, so as a carry piece, it's not as good. It's uglier. You have to break it in. But it's a hundred bucks more for arguably a better gun.
So, if you had $1800 to play with, which would you go with?
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2012/04/06 17:34:42
Subject: Let's Talk 1911s
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Seaward wrote:Yep, another gun thread. Sorry.
I've been contemplating picking up a 1911 for quite a while now, and I've always held off. I love my HK45C, but I have tiny little carnie hands, and Mr. Browning apparently designed the 1911 exclusively for me. It fits better and I shoot it better than anything else I've ever touched. The HK's a beautiful if soulless thing, but the 1911 softly sings my name while pouring me a glass of scotch and lighting my cigarette. I can only resist such seduction for so long.
The candidates have been narrowed down to the Dan Wesson Valor and the Les Baer Custom Carry. We're going fairly high end, as I only have a few more months of being utterly irresponsible with my money left. The Valor (or Valor Bobtail, haven't decided) should win this; it's more accurate than I'll ever be, the VBOB in particular's designed for carry, and it's a good-looking gun. I'm ashamed to admit, however, that the allure of the hand-crafted, guaranteed 3" group at 50 yards Baer is preventing me from pulling the trigger on the Valor. Baer won't bobtail their guns, so as a carry piece, it's not as good. It's uglier. You have to break it in. But it's a hundred bucks more for arguably a better gun.
So, if you had $1800 to play with, which would you go with?
I've never ever ever heard anything bad about a Les Baer work of art. EVER.
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2012/04/06 19:54:28
Subject: Re:Let's Talk 1911s
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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I don't yet own any firearms, but have long considered owning one. The 1911 is my primary candidate.
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 lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
 Flinty wrote:The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
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2012/04/06 20:18:18
Subject: Re:Let's Talk 1911s
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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The 1911, i just a gorgeous gun, no joking. With the kind of cash your talking, Id ask myself these questions
Do I want a 1911 and add some modifications?
Do I want a 1911 and not do modifications?
Which ever one you answer yes to, youll get a better idea of where to start. If yes to modifications, then obviously go a cheaper 1911, and with the money left over, youl be able to add some nice touched to it. For example, Im really considering buying a Rock River Arms 1911, because you can get them pretty cheap, which leaves you tons of cash for making it better and more to your liking.
If yes to not modding it, well then, start looking at some really nice, well known name brands, because with those, sure they cost alot, but you are getting the best of the best, and therefor you wont need to mod it at all
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2012/04/07 05:09:32
Subject: Re:Let's Talk 1911s
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Imperial Admiral
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Well, even if I get the Les Baer, I'll probably eventually have a gunsmith do some work on it. I'd really like to get a bobtail cut on the grip, for example, and since I'm not going to spring for the 1.5" groups at 50 yards guarantee - 3" groups at 50 yards is more accurate than I'll ever shoot already - I may have Severns Customs do one of their accuracy packages at a later date. I won't be modifying it myself, though, which is why I'm looking at the price point I'm looking at.
Got a quote on a Baer Custom Carry with no front cocking serrations and Baer blued finish for $1830. Think I'm pulling the trigger on it Monday.
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2012/04/07 05:42:54
Subject: Let's Talk 1911s
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2012/04/07 05:51:43
Subject: Let's Talk 1911s
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Imperial Admiral
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Nah. You hear about a lot of problems with Kimbers. I figure this is mostly because they sell more 1911s than damn near anybody else, but still. About the only production gun I'd consider at this point, having learned what these high-end handmade semi-custom guns can do, is something from Dan Wesson. I've turned into a pompous 1911 snob without ever having owned a 1911 yet.
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2012/04/07 05:56:25
Subject: Let's Talk 1911s
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Never had a problem with my TLE II, best friend had run over 100,000 rounds through his TLE last I knew of, and never had a problem other than comes with a dirty gun. (Several hundered rounds during an outing does dirty a gun some.)
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2012/04/07 07:40:07
Subject: Let's Talk 1911s
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Imperial Admiral
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Lordhat wrote:Never had a problem with my TLE II, best friend had run over 100,000 rounds through his TLE last I knew of, and never had a problem other than comes with a dirty gun. (Several hundered rounds during an outing does dirty a gun some.)
Yep. As I said, I attribute the stories you hear of Kimber malfunctions largely to the fact that Kimber may well be the most popular 1911 maker in the world right now, and simply sells a metric fuckton of the things. They're good guns. The Marines wouldn't have picked 'em if they weren't.
But, I've got the opportunity to go needlessly high-end at the moment, and I reckon I might as well take it.
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2012/04/07 08:18:25
Subject: Re:Let's Talk 1911s
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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It was a Kimber I had been considering, actually the very one Lordhat linked earlier.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote:The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
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2012/04/07 08:33:46
Subject: Let's Talk 1911s
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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Out of curiosity, why are you looking at these particular firearms? Target shooting or self defence?
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2012/04/07 12:37:20
Subject: Re:Let's Talk 1911s
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Me? Target shooting.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote:The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
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2012/04/07 16:08:23
Subject: Re:Let's Talk 1911s
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Imperial Admiral
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Well, just made the decision. Should have a blued Les Baer Custom Carry with no front cocking serrations and the 1.5" groups at 50 yards guarantee in my hands Wednesday.
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2012/04/07 16:11:37
Subject: Re:Let's Talk 1911s
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Brutal Black Orc
The Empire State
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Ouze wrote:I don't yet own any firearms, but have long considered owning one. The 1911 is my primary candidate.
Get a bow.
Archery is relaxing.
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2012/04/08 18:32:41
Subject: Let's Talk 1911s
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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me too I'd buy one someday.
and it has to be hi-capa combat version not accuracy-focused ones. pistols are primarily designed for close fights. right?
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2012/04/08 19:47:02
Subject: Re:Let's Talk 1911s
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Indeed they are. Hitting tight groups at 50 yards is pretty impressive with a pistol, but they are mainly used for incounters withing 50 feet 
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2012/04/09 17:20:43
Subject: Re:Let's Talk 1911s
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Imperial Admiral
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KingCracker wrote:Indeed they are. Hitting tight groups at 50 yards is pretty impressive with a pistol, but they are mainly used for incounters withing 50 feet
Absolutely true.
But a gun that's more accurate at 50 yards is going to be more accurate at 10.
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2012/04/09 17:26:09
Subject: Let's Talk 1911s
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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True dat. Plus a high end pistol is perfect for tournament competition - the sport aspect.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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2012/04/09 17:30:36
Subject: Re:Let's Talk 1911s
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Seaward wrote:KingCracker wrote:Indeed they are. Hitting tight groups at 50 yards is pretty impressive with a pistol, but they are mainly used for incounters withing 50 feet
Absolutely true.
But a gun that's more accurate at 50 yards is going to be more accurate at 10.
Now that I will disagree with. A gun that is highly accurate at 50, will be highly accurate at 10. But a handgun that is highly accurate at 10 yards, might not be accurate at 50. But the end result is the same, in close quarters (the thing handguns are mainly for) a high end will put a hole in someones chest the same as a dirt cheap one.
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