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Just wondering what would happen if by chance, the Grey Knights encountered the Legion of the Damned in a battlefield. Considering the grey knights specialize in fighting daemons and the legion being a bit tainted considering their prolonged exposure to the warp, would the grey knights immediately attack the legion?

If the Grey Knights did attack, the Legion of the Damned would just disappear like they always do.

I figured that the legion only ever showed up when the space marines were losing horribly so I'm assuming that the GK being rescued in this case would be too busy fighting off someone else to bother with the legion till it was all over especially since they probably aren't taking fire from the other group that showed up.

The legion also goes away as soon as the battle was over so they probably won't hang out afterwards to brofist the GK

Given that Mordrak knocks about with Ghosts and when he gets the crap kicked out of him MORE ghosts turn up I'd reckon about the only reaction form the regular GK's when the legion lobbed would be "WTF? Mordrak!!!!!! get these bloody idiots out of our way !"

I'm pretty sure if for some reason the LotD did not get away after battle, the GK's would most likely attack.

I mean your common space marine is more likely to right a report that a mysterious force of brother marines helped them out in their time of need, and would probably leave it at that.

But GK's being a little more... what's the word... hardcore about taints and such, the moment they get wind of such taint or mutation, I doubt such brotherly love could stall them

nah, GK's court with the powers of the warp they aren't fussed about taints, straight out daemons and heretics for sure but they are far more warpy than any other SM's

Space Wolves, now there's a mob that hate anything to do with the warp, they don't even have Librarians.

Magpie wrote:nah, GK's court with the powers of the warp they aren't fussed about taints, straight out daemons and heretics for sure but they are far more warpy than any other SM's

Space Wolves, now there's a mob that hate anything to do with the warp, they don't even have Librarians.

I'm not so sure about GK's courting with powers of the warp, after all everything a daemon says is a lie and deceit!

SW's are all about the brotherly love though camaraderie and all that stuff, they're ignorant, but they've got heart

I reckon the Grey Knights would want to attack them but wouldnt be able to 'cause of the whole dissapearing thing.

sudojoe wrote:The legion also goes away as soon as the battle was over so they probably won't hang out afterwards to brofist the GK

Awww but that would be so cool.

LoTD "Got your back Dude"
GK "Yeeeah Buddy"
*Fistbump*

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

Magpie wrote:nah, GK's court with the powers of the warp they aren't fussed about taints, straight out daemons and heretics for sure but they are far more warpy than any other SM's

Space Wolves, now there's a mob that hate anything to do with the warp, they don't even have Librarians.

I'm not so sure about GK's courting with powers of the warp, after all everything a daemon says is a lie and deceit!

SW's are all about the brotherly love though camaraderie and all that stuff, they're ignorant, but they've got heart

SWs have runepriests which also deal with warp stuff right? I think BTs are the ones who don't want anything to do with the warp since they don't allow psykers and refuse to fight alongside psykers sometimes

This question has a faulty premise. Legion of the Damned are not tainted.

The GKs probably know who and what the LotD are. Most likely they wouldn't care.

If the LotD are a manifestation of the Emperor's will, the GKs are cool with it.

If they are remnants of the Fire Hawks atoning for their past sins, the GKs are probably making them do it.

DarknessEternal wrote:This question has a faulty premise. Legion of the Damned are not tainted.

Warp based mutations are considered taint by the imperium isn't it? And affliction of the LotD was caused by their period of time trapped in the warp.

Magpie wrote:nah, GK's court with the powers of the warp they aren't fussed about taints, straight out daemons and heretics for sure but they are far more warpy than any other SM's

Space Wolves, now there's a mob that hate anything to do with the warp, they don't even have Librarians.

Slight tangent, but rune priests are nothing more or less then sw flavored librarians. They are psykers who draw their power from the warp. They just refer to their psyker powers as "wolf-whatever" or "whatever whatever wolfy wolf wolf of wolfness ray" etc.

Sorry, like I said, slightly off topic.

Anyways, I think the GK might be cool with lotd. They might even know more about them then most space marines.

The Rune Preists are Shamanistic Masters of the Storms.
Sure they play like vanilla psykers but they are more sort of medicine men.

From Lexicanium:
"Rune Priests do not differ from Codex Librarians in their traditional roles but in their methods. They believe that their psychic powers are not a manipulation of the Warp, but derived from the living energy of their homeworld Fenris which can be channeled through totems and runes on their armour. This practice of psychic powers is carried out through the shamanistic rituals of the Fenrisian native tribes and has remained unchanged for countless centuries."

"I'm not so sure about GK's courting with powers of the warp, after all everything a daemon says is a lie and deceit! "

True but they are prepared to resist the temptations etc, I mean they are all Psykers so they are very familiar with the warp more so than any other SM's

3rd edition Daemonhunters would probably purge them with extreme prejudice (or at least try).

5th edition GK would almost certainly buddy up with them, Ward made them out to be far less militant and much more nobler.

Tradional librarians as we generally know them in chapters aside from SWs exist through magnus' training and use of powers taught to other librarians.

A Rune Priest 's training and use of powers was devised by native fenrisian shamans.

If Regular fenrisian natives had actually been touching the warp for so long the Iquisition would have come down on Fenris from the jump.

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:I'm pretty sure if for some reason the LotD did not get away after battle, the GK's would most likely attack.

I mean your common space marine is more likely to right a report that a mysterious force of brother marines helped them out in their time of need, and would probably leave it at that.

But GK's being a little more... what's the word... hardcore about taints and such, the moment they get wind of such taint or mutation, I doubt such brotherly love could stall them

Hardcore about taints and such? Dude, go read that sentence again.

On a serious note, the GK may not be too keen on having allies of possible heretical origin. That and the GK are rarely in deep enough trouble to warrant the Legion's aid.

IF the Grey Knights were in a position to pin-down the Legion of the Damned, then I wouldn't be surprised if the obliterated them and asked questions later. I don't feel like they'd take the risk of taking them into custody in order to determine their allegiance.

Harriticus wrote:3rd edition Daemonhunters would probably purge them with extreme prejudice (or at least try).

5th edition GK would almost certainly buddy up with them, Ward made them out to be far less militant and much more nobler.

Apart from, you know, hunting down entire regiments of innocent guardsmen just to protect a secret, and butchering innocent Sisters of Battle where necessary.

I certainly never got a 'noble' feel from the GK.

I suggest you read this Kaldor http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bloodtide

It puts the Sister's incident into perspective.

Grey Templar wrote:I suggest you read this Kaldor http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bloodtide

It puts the Sister's incident into perspective.

I'm not sure what I was supposed to get from that. I'm actually just going to ignore it, since it seems silly.

However, I want to say I'm fully on board with the bloodtide incident. I think it was a cool touch for the GK to do that.

I prefer to think of the Bloodtide itself as some kind of demonic spell that needed to be warded against.

It basically shows the sisters blood was a legitimate way of warding off the Bloodtide and that it wasn't done in malice as too many people think. Also shows Mat Ward wasn't making s*** up.

Kaldor wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:I suggest you read this Kaldor http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bloodtide

It puts the Sister's incident into perspective.

I'm not sure what I was supposed to get from that. I'm actually just going to ignore it, since it seems silly.

However, I want to say I'm fully on board with the bloodtide incident. I think it was a cool touch for the GK to do that.

I prefer to think of the Bloodtide itself as some kind of demonic spell that needed to be warded against.

I thought GK were incorruptable ?

(Trollface)

Grey Templar wrote:It basically shows the sisters blood was a legitimate way of warding off the Bloodtide and that it wasn't done in malice as too many people think. Also shows Mat Ward wasn't making s*** up.

Yeah, I'm down with that. It wasn't done in malice, and it was necessary. Anyone who doesn't get that has a reading comprehension problem.

I like that they had to do a terrible thing in order to win, and they didn't bat an eye. They didn't hesitate or prevaricate, it didn't even register as something unpleasant.


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TheRobotLol wrote:

Kaldor wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:I suggest you read this Kaldor http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bloodtide

It puts the Sister's incident into perspective.

I'm not sure what I was supposed to get from that. I'm actually just going to ignore it, since it seems silly.

However, I want to say I'm fully on board with the bloodtide incident. I think it was a cool touch for the GK to do that.

I prefer to think of the Bloodtide itself as some kind of demonic spell that needed to be warded against.

I thought GK were incorruptable ?

(Trollface)

lol.

Think of it as a demonic poison.

Also, there are different levels of 'incorruptable'. It's like eating cake. Anyone can go on a diet and not eat a cake. But for some people it's a constant struggle and they never stop thinking about it, and for others it's a lot easier, and some people don't even like cake so it's not even a challenge for them.

I know you're only joking, but it helps to solidify my thoughts on the issue.

Being incorruptable really only means the offers of Chaos fall on deaf ears. Or at least, ears that choose to ignore those offers. It has no bearing on whether or not a certain power of Chaos will affect them, like the bloodtide, or a bolt of change or breath of chaos or what-have-you.

If the bloodtide touches a person and that person goes on a killing rampage, they haven't been corrupted by chaos per-se. They aren't doing it because they want to. They've effectively been poisoned.

Kaldor wrote:
Think of it as a demonic poison.

Also, there are different levels of 'incorruptable'. It's like eating cake. Anyone can go on a diet and not eat a cake. But for some people it's a constant struggle and they never stop thinking about it, and for others it's a lot easier, and some people don't even like cake so it's not even a challenge for them.

I know you're only joking, but it helps to solidify my thoughts on the issue.

Being incorruptable really only means the offers of Chaos fall on deaf ears. Or at least, ears that choose to ignore those offers. It has no bearing on whether or not a certain power of Chaos will affect them, like the bloodtide, or a bolt of change or breath of chaos or what-have-you.

If the bloodtide touches a person and that person goes on a killing rampage, they haven't been corrupted by chaos per-se. They aren't doing it because they want to. They've effectively been poisoned.

I see it much like that, too. Who's to say the Bloodtide isn't a warpborn infection that is literally attracted to blood? Then, coating themselves even symbolically in a single small area in blood would be enough to neutralize it as a threat.

Magpie wrote:The Rune Preists are Shamanistic Masters of the Storms.
Sure they play like vanilla psykers but they are more sort of medicine men.

From Lexicanium:
"Rune Priests do not differ from Codex Librarians in their traditional roles but in their methods. They believe that their psychic powers are not a manipulation of the Warp, but derived from the living energy of their homeworld Fenris which can be channeled through totems and runes on their armour. This practice of psychic powers is carried out through the shamanistic rituals of the Fenrisian native tribes and has remained unchanged for countless centuries."

"I'm not so sure about GK's courting with powers of the warp, after all everything a daemon says is a lie and deceit! "

True but they are prepared to resist the temptations etc, I mean they are all Psykers so they are very familiar with the warp more so than any other SM's

This has always bugged me about the space wolves personally, (not having a go at you by the way), but how can they really justify saying they 'believe' thier powers come from a different source and that makes it fine.

Lame...

If its a psychic power then its from the warp, everyone knows it, and having a magical wolf tail as a talisman to channel thier power is no different to an Eldar using those runes to channel thier power, either way its from the same warp right? (Also, I might not be 100% on the eldar runes, just making a point! )

Anyway, I reckon that they would secretly know what the LOTD are and would leave them alone...although it would make a cool story with the right writer!

Kaldor wrote: I know you're only joking, but it helps to solidify my thoughts on the issue.

Being incorruptable really only means the offers of Chaos fall on deaf ears. Or at least, ears that choose to ignore those offers. It has no bearing on whether or not a certain power of Chaos will affect them, like the bloodtide, or a bolt of change or breath of chaos or what-have-you.

If the bloodtide touches a person and that person goes on a killing rampage, they haven't been corrupted by chaos per-se. They aren't doing it because they want to. They've effectively been poisoned.

I agree, that sounds right.

Jihadnik wrote:

Magpie wrote:The Rune Preists are Shamanistic Masters of the Storms.
Sure they play like vanilla psykers but they are more sort of medicine men.

From Lexicanium:
"Rune Priests do not differ from Codex Librarians in their traditional roles but in their methods. They believe that their psychic powers are not a manipulation of the Warp, but derived from the living energy of their homeworld Fenris which can be channeled through totems and runes on their armour. This practice of psychic powers is carried out through the shamanistic rituals of the Fenrisian native tribes and has remained unchanged for countless centuries."

"I'm not so sure about GK's courting with powers of the warp, after all everything a daemon says is a lie and deceit! "

True but they are prepared to resist the temptations etc, I mean they are all Psykers so they are very familiar with the warp more so than any other SM's

This has always bugged me about the space wolves personally, (not having a go at you by the way), but how can they really justify saying they 'believe' thier powers come from a different source and that makes it fine.

Lame...

If its a psychic power then its from the warp, everyone knows it, and having a magical wolf tail as a talisman to channel thier power is no different to an Eldar using those runes to channel thier power, either way its from the same warp right? (Also, I might not be 100% on the eldar runes, just making a point! )

Anyway, I reckon that they would secretly know what the LOTD are and would leave them alone...although it would make a cool story with the right writer!

One thing I've learned, never argue with the Space Wolves while they are drunk. which is all the time.

Grey Templar wrote:It basically shows the sisters blood was a legitimate way of warding off the Bloodtide and that it wasn't done in malice as too many people think. Also shows Mat Ward wasn't making s*** up.

Except, the two 'Boodtides' aren't the same thing.

One is strictly Dark Age technology.

The other is strictly Daemonic in nature.

Close, the one in the GK codex is a daemonic alteration of the original.

Yeah, Space Wolves are total hypocrites. Just because "they believe" doesn't make it so. And the fact that the Emperor let them get away with that terrible argument at Nikea, is fairly suspect.