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Anyone got any idea whether a storm raven can move flat out & still fire one weapon? I only ask as the POTMS rules states any vehicle that moves at combat speed, not specifically flat out.
Suggestions welcome.

Wrong section I feel. But nevertheless....from what I can read the POTMS doesn't state a speed at all. All it says is 'it can fire one more weapon than it could normally', so yes you move flat out and the POTMS lets you fire a weapon (one more than it could normally). Makes sense to me.

Edit: Correction, this seems to be only relevant to the GK codex. It does indeed mention speeds in the vanilla marines and Blood Angels codex.

FAQ'd - Yes for the BA.

Q: Can a stormraven gunship that has moved flat out still us POTMS to fire one fun?
A: Yes.

I belive the wording for POTMS is that it may fire one more weapon than normaly allowed (may be wrong, its been a while since I played my GK). On the flip side, I have heard that with POTMS you still cant fire a weapon if you use smoke launchers. Any truth to that?

edited for spelling

Vindicare-Obsession wrote:I belive the wording for POTMS is that it may fire one more weapon than normaly allowed (may be wrong, its been a while since I played my GK). On the flip side, I have heard that with POTMS you still cant fire a weapon if you use smoke launchers. Any truth to that?

edited for spelling

again FAQ'd

Q: Can a vehicle with the POTMS fire a weapon the turn the vehicle uses smoke launchers?
A: No.

Ahh, Blood Angel faq. Thats why I never saw it. Thanks

Vindicare-Obsession wrote:Ahh, Blood Angel faq. Thats why I never saw it. Thanks

No Problem!

LynxSarnage wrote:Wrong section I feel. But nevertheless....from what I can read the POTMS doesn't state a speed at all. All it says is 'it can fire one more weapon than it could normally', so yes you move flat out and the POTMS lets you fire a weapon (one more than it could normally). Makes sense to me.

Edit: Correction, this seems to be only relevant to the GK codex. It does indeed mention speeds in the vanilla marines and Blood Angels codex.

Just as a side note the vanilla space marines do not get a storm raven(at least not yet).

TheAvengingKnee wrote:

LynxSarnage wrote:Wrong section I feel. But nevertheless....from what I can read the POTMS doesn't state a speed at all. All it says is 'it can fire one more weapon than it could normally', so yes you move flat out and the POTMS lets you fire a weapon (one more than it could normally). Makes sense to me.

Edit: Correction, this seems to be only relevant to the GK codex. It does indeed mention speeds in the vanilla marines and Blood Angels codex.

Just as a side note the vanilla space marines do not get a storm raven(at least not yet).

But you get a Storm Eagle which look waaaay cooler IMO.

reps0l wrote:

TheAvengingKnee wrote:

LynxSarnage wrote:Wrong section I feel. But nevertheless....from what I can read the POTMS doesn't state a speed at all. All it says is 'it can fire one more weapon than it could normally', so yes you move flat out and the POTMS lets you fire a weapon (one more than it could normally). Makes sense to me.

Edit: Correction, this seems to be only relevant to the GK codex. It does indeed mention speeds in the vanilla marines and Blood Angels codex.

Just as a side note the vanilla space marines do not get a storm raven(at least not yet).

But you get a Storm Eagle which look waaaay cooler IMO.

The Storm Eagle is an overpriced Stormraven that cant carry a dreadnought and can only carry 4 more Terminators plus it costs 80-105 more points just to make it equal to the stromraven. Plus the vengance missle launchers are glorified heavy flamers.

I really dont see the draw to play this unit, dont get me wrong, I think the model is cool, but in gaming terms it is a 300pt-1000pt (assuming you load it with terminators and and an HQ in TDA) point sink that lascannons can pop turn 1. I was bummed about the pts cost of the stormraven until they released this You could take 3 stormravens for the price of 2 storm eagles. (this does not include the actual $$$ cost). Personally i would buy a storm raven and kit bash.

TheAvengingKnee wrote:

LynxSarnage wrote:Wrong section I feel. But nevertheless....from what I can read the POTMS doesn't state a speed at all. All it says is 'it can fire one more weapon than it could normally', so yes you move flat out and the POTMS lets you fire a weapon (one more than it could normally). Makes sense to me.

Edit: Correction, this seems to be only relevant to the GK codex. It does indeed mention speeds in the vanilla marines and Blood Angels codex.

Just as a side note the vanilla space marines do not get a storm raven(at least not yet).

I was taking about the POTMS entry, its listed under the LR in all the codexes. ^^

Thanks for all your comments guys. I was just checking as I was in mid game, my opponents SR moved flat out. Shot at my land Raider (missed thankfully), but then made EVERY SINGLE COVER save after that, due to moving flat out. Seriously. 8 Crack rockets. No good. Just seemed a bit too good. But then I guess they have to sell the kits somehow.
His luck did run out in the next turn &, as one of the above members has mentioned, I'm sure Vanilla marines will have it in their arsenal in the next codex.

Thanks.

Falco wrote:

reps0l wrote:

TheAvengingKnee wrote:

LynxSarnage wrote:Wrong section I feel. But nevertheless....from what I can read the POTMS doesn't state a speed at all. All it says is 'it can fire one more weapon than it could normally', so yes you move flat out and the POTMS lets you fire a weapon (one more than it could normally). Makes sense to me.

Edit: Correction, this seems to be only relevant to the GK codex. It does indeed mention speeds in the vanilla marines and Blood Angels codex.

Just as a side note the vanilla space marines do not get a storm raven(at least not yet).

But you get a Storm Eagle which look waaaay cooler IMO.

The Storm Eagle is an overpriced Stormraven that cant carry a dreadnought and can only carry 4 more Terminators plus it costs 80-105 more points just to make it equal to the stromraven. Plus the vengance missle launchers are glorified heavy flamers.

I really dont see the draw to play this unit, dont get me wrong, I think the model is cool, but in gaming terms it is a 300pt-1000pt (assuming you load it with terminators and and an HQ in TDA) point sink that lascannons can pop turn 1. I was bummed about the pts cost of the stormraven until they released this You could take 3 stormravens for the price of 2 storm eagles. (this does not include the actual $$$ cost). Personally i would buy a storm raven and kit bash.

Hm, I must be missing something. Everything you said about the Storm Eagle can be said about the SR...both 225 pts, both would need loadouts. How is a SR good and the Eagle bad?

For a start you can use storm ravens in any game, carrying a dreadnought can be rather good when it comes to cutting through swathes of troops.

You lose the Dreadnought capability but gain 8 more model slots. I get what you are trying to say about it being a Forgeworld rule/model, but that doesn't make the SR any better IMO.

SR > no SR/SE. Just curious on why Falco thinks SR>SE due to it points cost.

Seems like a decent vehicle with the Lazcannon options. Plus hauling around 10 termies ain't bad either. And since IMHO dreads are better ranged platforms then melee, I see more value In the SE. Plus it looks like a pretty easY conversion from a SR+valk kit. Don't even need the full valk, just the wings from a bits order site. As for utility... I Imagine it's simaler... Flying landraider with less armor.

In a blood angels list a furioso or DC dread being carried into combat by a stormraven can be very effective and giving a furioso 18+ inches of territory it can cover if it assaults is nice.

Your charge range in for a dc dread in a sr is immense, 12" + 2" for disembark + the width of the base + D6" + 6" assault.
That is a max of 29 inches I think, (don't remember the width of the base in inches.

The dc dread can also mow through troops as it can generate more attacks from each unsaved wound it infilicts, I've put out 10 wounds in a turn of cc before. So if your playing guard and they form a big blob, take them out of the game for a few turns with the dc dread. Weight of numbers doesn't scare him, the 1 powerfist in the bunch might but terminators can get bogged down and killed by a sea of crap.

reps0l wrote:

Falco wrote:

reps0l wrote:

TheAvengingKnee wrote:

LynxSarnage wrote:Wrong section I feel. But nevertheless....from what I can read the POTMS doesn't state a speed at all. All it says is 'it can fire one more weapon than it could normally', so yes you move flat out and the POTMS lets you fire a weapon (one more than it could normally). Makes sense to me.

Edit: Correction, this seems to be only relevant to the GK codex. It does indeed mention speeds in the vanilla marines and Blood Angels codex.

Just as a side note the vanilla space marines do not get a storm raven(at least not yet).

But you get a Storm Eagle which look waaaay cooler IMO.

The Storm Eagle is an overpriced Stormraven that cant carry a dreadnought and can only carry 4 more Terminators plus it costs 80-105 more points just to make it equal to the stromraven. Plus the vengance missle launchers are glorified heavy flamers.

I really dont see the draw to play this unit, dont get me wrong, I think the model is cool, but in gaming terms it is a 300pt-1000pt (assuming you load it with terminators and and an HQ in TDA) point sink that lascannons can pop turn 1. I was bummed about the pts cost of the stormraven until they released this You could take 3 stormravens for the price of 2 storm eagles. (this does not include the actual $$$ cost). Personally i would buy a storm raven and kit bash.

Hm, I must be missing something. Everything you said about the Storm Eagle can be said about the SR...both 225 pts, both would need loadouts. How is a SR good and the Eagle bad?

Well the SR is 225pts if you take the tyhpoon ML other wise it is base 200. what i am getting at is this, the SE is a base of 225 with the Vengance launcher and a TL HB. To add the TL Lascannons or Helstrike missiles you will need to bump the cost up between 60-40pts respectivly if i can recall correctlly. Also, to get the TL MM it costs an aditional 15 pts. So to mirror the load out of the SR the SE would costs roughly 280pts (TL MM and Hellstrike Missiles) but this also includes the vengance launcher as well. So just to be fair we will add the Typhoon ML to the SR and bump the base cost up to 225. So for roughly 55pts less you can get a near identical load out on the SR.

Lets compare the two at 225pts:
SR/SE
Nose mounted Weapon: Typhoon ML / TL HB
Wing Weapons: 4 Bloodstrike missles / N/A
Top mounted Weapon: TL Lascannon-assault cannon-plasma cannon / Vengance launcher

At 225 as a gunship, the SR blows the SE out of the water as the above comparison easily shows. The SE has no weapon over S5.The SR has up to 7 weapons at S8 or better (taking the lascannon). Also at this point if you move 12" the SR can fire not only a primary weapon, and POTMS but also the Typhoon ML as well (due to the S4 Frag missile). When the SE moves 12" you will get to fire 2 weapons 1 plus POTMS. 3 vs 2.

At 225 as a transport the SE can take 10 terminators or 10 jump packs. The SR can take 6 Terminators or 6 jump packs and a Dreadnought. Meh, its your call on what you like.

So in my eyes the SR is far better then the SE.

I dont know, that is just the way i am rationalizing the comparison. Others might not see it the same way.

edited to corrected number of weapons getting to fire.

Cool, thanks. Just wanted to hear out your logic, it makes sense.