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I have about 40 termagaunts armed with devourers in my army and I was wondering if its okay to run them as fleshborers just as long as my opponent knows beforehand the match. I was also thinking about putting stripes on the bases to differentiate the units in case I had one units of devourers and one unit of fleshborers.

Generally, in a friendly game, when you advise your opponent, yes.

In a tournament, ask the Tournament Organizer first.

This is for strictly casual play of course.

Ask your opponent, but I wouldn't have a problem in a casual game.

"counts as"

Fine for casual games if you agree with your opponent in advance.

It might not wash in tournaments.

I'd tolerate it. I'll tolerate a lot.

But I'd respect you more if you just used them the way they are modelled.

Understandable that you would want them WYSIWYG but money wise to go out and buy 4 more boxes of termies isnt an option when I still need to purchase hive guard, a trygon, and eventually a pair of tervigons.

It wouldn't bother me one bit. I can never tell the difference between those funny little things termagants call guns anyway. but most people will tollerate it especially scince its so small. Its not as if your going this marine with a flamer is a meltagun and in this squad this plasma gun is a flamer and in this squad this meltagun is a plasma gun. And on this Razorback its a heavy flamer, this one is a Heavyboletr even thought they are both modled as las cannons. And this rhino is a drop pod. Its not a full proxy army so just go for it just make it clear and around 98% of gamers wont have a problem with such a small change.

Bluetau wrote:Understandable that you would want them WYSIWYG but money wise to go out and buy 4 more boxes of termies isnt an option when I still need to purchase hive guard, a trygon, and eventually a pair of tervigons.

I understand that, but I would be happier with you if you just ran them as what they are until you could get more models.

Like I said, I would still play against it either way.

As a base-line you really shouldn't use the same models to represent both Termagants with Devourers and Termagants with Fleshborers.
You are, of course, already aware of this, otherwise you wouldn't have made the thread in the first place.

If you do decide to do so, please keep the following things in mind;

Firstly, make it perfectly and utterly clear which is which.
IMO painting stripes on bases does NOT cut it in that regard. Will you opponent be able to tell the difference, at a glance, from three feet away? If not, it isn't perfectly and utterly clear.

Secondly, make sure your opponent is OK with this being done.

Thirdly, realize that your opponent is not being dumb, evil or TFG, if he says that he would not enjoy that or find it confusing. You are the one asking to move beyond the normal conventions of the game, and some people might rightly not like that.

Having said that, I would accept it, but don't presume that anybody else will.
In essence it doesn't matter how many of us (here on Dakka) who would be OK with it.....It only matter if the opponent you are standing across from is OK with it, and saying; "The guys on Dakka says it is OK" is really utterly irrelevant.



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Ailaros wrote:"counts as"

This would actually be a proxy as the models are not WYSIWYG. In general counts as covers cool fluff conversions (hoverboard Rough rides), models for units without official models or conversion based special characters for players that want the rule type but don't play the specific faction.

Proxys are using one model to represent another, such as using a vindicator to play as a predator, most commonly used in friendly games to trial new army lay outs before having to spend money.

Bluetau wrote:I have about 40 termagaunts armed with devourers in my army and I was wondering if its okay to run them as fleshborers just as long as my opponent knows beforehand the match. I was also thinking about putting stripes on the bases to differentiate the units in case I had one units of devourers and one unit of fleshborers.

I'd have no problems with it, though it might be easier on opponents to use all units with all of one or the other. It starts to get frustrating when models that look exactly the same are being used for more than 1 representation on the table by one's opponent.

Skriker

My opponent uses necrons as 'gaunts, I'm sure it'll be fine Who cares about tourneys.

I would be OK with arming them with upgrades but using the default. The is no rule stating that a modelled upgrade MUST be bought and used. Its a simple case of not paying for them and leaving then off your list.

Its certainly better than running Fleshborer Gaunts as Devs.

Tyranid players can't always buy 100 new termagants with every new edition when one weapon option becomes better and another worse. Not everyone is willing or able to magnetize his complete army (including magnetized tiny glands or Genestealer arms). So I would be perfectly okay with some miniatures having a weapon option favored by the previous Codex.

Kroothawk wrote:Tyranid players can't always buy 100 new termagants with every new edition when one weapon option becomes better and another worse. Not everyone is willing or able to magnetize his complete army (including magnetized tiny glands or Genestealer arms). So I would be perfectly okay with some miniatures having a weapon option favored by the previous Codex.

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If anyone local (non-sponsored tournament) gives you crap about it then he is the biggest douche bag ever. You would be pretty much buying into GW marketing scheme by buying new gaunts to simple replace the weapons, they probably change the stats to make one better on purpose. The only thing you need to do is state it clearly what has what, have an army list at all times. It would be easier if all your gaunts had the same weapon, then there would be no confusion.

It's just as stupid as the people who buy multiple space marine armies in my opinion. You really going to blow another $500+ on the same space marines you already have so you can have the privileged of painting them a different color? I would be perfectly fine with someone who painted their Marines hot pink and called them Space Wolves one day and Blood Angels the next. The only exception is the larger tournaments that enforce the rules that armies have to be painted and "what you see is what you get" on equipment. But that still doesn't change my opinion on the people who purchase multiple SM armies (you GW tools).

I have a question. If a tournament is really WYSIWYG strict, will you.have to alter your list to compensate modelled upgrades you don't want.

For example, when I built my Stormraven I gave it a Lascannon but normally run an assault canno, just by not writing down I had a Lascannon (the AC is standard)

Would I get away with this in tournaments.

Deadshot wrote:I have a question. If a tournament is really WYSIWYG strict, will you.have to alter your list to compensate modelled upgrades you don't want.

For example, when I built my Stormraven I gave it a Lascannon but normally run an assault canno, just by not writing down I had a Lascannon (the AC is standard)

Would I get away with this in tournaments.

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Yeah, it's usually fine as long as you make it clear to the opponent beforehand. Just as long as you're not using those competitively.

Even a lot of WYSIWYG tournaments will allow small changes or modifications (most things represented by tiny bits). Just nothing silly like "these termagants are genestealers" type substitutions. Main tank weapons not being what they should be tend to get shunned too. To me this is because even if you tell your opponent what they are, he shouldn't have to remember it when he should be able to just look at your unit and see what it has.

Now I've got a question along similar lines.

In my Dark Eldar army list, I don't bother buying Sybarites for my little 5 man squads, but I use some of the Sybarite bits to make one of the generic riflemen stand out a bit. Aesthetically, I like the way it looks to have my squad with a squad leader.

In terms of gear, he's armed the exact same way as all my other riflemen, except maybe with a knife or what-have-you.

How would that fly?

That would fly fine with me I wouldn't have any trouble if anyone says anything just say its for asthetics and I liked the way it looked.

I plan to field my grey knights army using a wraithlord as a dreadknight. Magnetise the appropriate weapons and noone i would generally play against would complain.
Even with the wrong weapons id get away with it, but I can see why it could be seen as annoying when playing against more professional players...

as i still sometimes have to look at the book to check what a particular weapon does anyway, i doubt itd make much of a difference to me lol.

Except for fleshborer termagents. i know what those lil sods look like. Painted enough of them!!