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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/14 22:04:45
Subject: 2000 point Necron "Death & Despair" army (needs help!)
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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As great as Wraith Wing/Scarab Farm/TremorCron/M.T.O./AV13 Spam lists are, I was hoping to see some of the other less represented 'Crons from the codex make their way into the spotlight.
So I wanted to make a fun (see: non-competitive) list that would exploit the Deathmark + Harbinger of Despair combo.
Two problems:
1) as is, the points are over what I'd want.
2) I know for certain that I'd have my ass handed to me in a real game (I'd at least want a functional, semi-effective army)
So, I was hoping to get some help editing this list to make it more playable.
HQ [1015]
Zandrekh = 185
+ Command Barge = 80
+ Obyron = 160 (B)
Overlord (Scythe, MS Scarabs, Phaeron, ResOrb) = 165 (A)
6 Harbingers of Despair (2x Veil of Darkness) = 240 (B)
2 Harbingers of Destruction (2x Solar Pulse) = 110 (C)
1 Harbinger of Storm (Lightning) = 35 (A)
1 Harbinger of Transmog (Crucible) = 40 (A)
TROOPS [375]
15 Warriors = 195 (A)
5 Warriors = 65
+ Ghost Ark = 115 (C)
ELITES [285]
5 Deathmarks = 95 (B)
5 Deathmarks = 95 (B)
5 Deathmarks = 95 (B)
FAST [0]
HEAVY [380]
Monolith = 200
Annihilation Barge = 90
Annihilation Barge = 90
TOTAL [2055]
I know I want to keep at least the two D&D squads (so that means at minimum the 10 Deathmarks, plus 2 to 4 Harbingers of Despair and, by extension, the Overlord level HQ's needed to get them).
With the Warrior brick in the middle having enough anit-assault deterrents, I should hope they'll survive... but maybe there's a Harbinger I don't need?
Apart from that, I'm open to suggestion (though, keep in mind, I'm trying to make this list with as little codex MVP players as possible (Wraiths, Scarabs, Sweeping Command Barges, etc). I wasn't even sure if I wanted to add the Annihilation Barges!).
[EDIT]: Removed the C'tan (slightly unreliable combo should not be relied on) and replaced it with another unit of 5 Deathmarks, 2 regular DespairTeks, and Obyron (in place of a third Veil).
Also added a Command Barge for Zandrekh.
Why?
I realize it's not the most effective use for the pimp mobile, but I plan on using Zandrekh as a homing beacon, flatout'ing him toward the best unit the enemy has. Then I Ghostwalk Obyron's unit in next to Zandrekh, marking said enemy boss unit with a Hunters From Hyperspace marker... then the two DespairTeks unleash hot death.
After the enemy unit in question is gone, Zandrek and Obyron can switch places (to benefit from some Command Barge Warsythe love).
*shrug*
It should be fun!
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2012/04/15 10:57:00
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/14 22:19:27
Subject: 2000 point Necron "Death & Despair" army (needs help!)
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
New York, USA
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Well, in my experience, the monolith only makes its points worth it if its portal is used to tranport squads around and/or deep strikes in(very risky), so I'd replace that if anything, then you can get wraiths, scarabs or tomb spyders, it seem liek you don't really have much anti-tank so I'd consider those.
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"Surrender and Die."
"To an Immortal, to one among a legion, honor and your word are all that matter" - Phaeron Orionis of the Brotherhood
W-L-D
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/15 10:57:14
Subject: 2000 point Necron "Death & Despair" army (needs help!)
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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Updated.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/16 03:53:00
Subject: 2000 point Necron "Death & Despair" army (needs help!)
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
New York, USA
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Your edit is a wonderful idea!
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"Surrender and Die."
"To an Immortal, to one among a legion, honor and your word are all that matter" - Phaeron Orionis of the Brotherhood
W-L-D
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/16 20:25:36
Subject: Re:2000 point Necron "Death & Despair" army (needs help!)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Switching the passenger in the CCB is a great idea. I always thought it can only transport its original owner, but checked the rules and no, there is nothing specifically forbidding this, therefore it is allowed.
Regarding the general list, I think three uniques is an interesting idea but likely too expensive even at 2000 pts level. Also, I don't see the appeal of Deathmarks - they are basically snipers and snipers are not very good in this edition. Next, the barges like to stay at max range and shoot, while Imo's job is to prevent shooting, so there is a disconnect here, even though the average result is 21 inches. You have to be at more like 18 or below, to be on the sweet side of the curve, but that is getting uncomfortably close for a tank, especially as this list lacks counter-charge units. Finally, just 15+5 warriors on a 2k list runs the risk of the opponent wiping them out and preventing you from winning any objective-based battles. If there was something else to grab his attention and hold it, e.g. wraiths and scarabs, then yes, but as it stands, no.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/04/17 14:02:24
Subject: Re:2000 point Necron "Death & Despair" army (needs help!)
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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Necrontyr40k wrote:I don't see the appeal of Deathmarks - they are basically snipers and snipers are not very good in this edition.
Ah, but the Deathmarks are not there for their shooting.
Necrontyr40k wrote:Next, the barges like to stay at max range and shoot, while Imo's job is to prevent shooting, so there is a disconnect here, even though the average result is 21 inches.
Yes, but that's what the two Solar Pulses are for...
Necrontyr40k wrote:If there was something else to grab his attention and hold it, e.g. wraiths and scarabs, then yes, but as it stands, no.
oh, trust me, it was VERY HARD to keep Wraiths out of this list (note my sig. reason I made this list up was because someone kept complaining about how every list I made heavily abused Wraiths, and so wanted to see if I could make one without them. this build is just a casual one, but if I tweak it (eg. keep the general theme, but drop the Monolith and replace with Wraiths), I might be able to make it competitive).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/07 06:27:15
Subject: Re:2000 point Necron "Death & Despair" army (needs help!)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Just started with Necrons myself and also like the Deathmarks. I'm having a lot of fun using only 2 deathmark units with despairteks, but throwing in 5 Lychguard with swords and boards and adding Obyron, a Lord with MSS warscythe and Resorb (sometimes with a Storm cryptek as well). When the deathmarks come in I set the hunter marks on two different units, Vod the deathmarks on either side of a marked unit, then ghostwalk the lychguard in the middle of the deathmarks.
Deathmarks do sniper work, Obyron and lychguard move in to finish off!
Course templates will make a mess of the plan, but generally the opponent is shooting at the Lychguard squad (love dispersion shields!!). Between those three groups flitting all over the board and an overlord surfing on a CCB you can get quite funny expressions on the opponents face!
To make it fit in your list perhaps drop the Monolith?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/07 06:56:09
Subject: Re:2000 point Necron "Death & Despair" army (needs help!)
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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MarkCron wrote:Two Deathmark units do sniper work, Obyron and lychguard move in to finish off!
... three units working to take out one unit kinda seems a bit overkill (not to mention uneconomical use of points. That's like 800 points tied up on that one squad. Yeah, whatever the hit is guaranteed to die, but then what happens to the rest of your army?)
MarkCron wrote:To make it fit in your list perhaps drop the Monolith?
Monolith is there for some *ahem* debatable Deathmark cheese (when they come through the portal, some people claim RAW states they should be able to place another Hunters from Hyperspace marker... this is incredibly dickish, though. Troll move only).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/07 07:12:22
Subject: Re:2000 point Necron "Death & Despair" army (needs help!)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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skoffs wrote:MarkCron wrote:Two Deathmark units do sniper work, Obyron and lychguard move in to finish off!
... three units working to take out one unit kinda seems a bit overkill (not to mention uneconomical use of points. That's like 800 points tied up on that one squad. Yeah, whatever the hit is guaranteed to die, but then what happens to the rest of your army?)
Absolutely agree. But I call my list FunCrons - I get wiped most of the time but there are always a lot of "oh sxxx!" moments for the opponent!! I always get a smile on my face watching the opponent when I do it the first time. Then, if they live and I do it to the second target....well that's gravy!
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2012/05/07 07:19:53
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