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I just played my first game against Space Marines (Vanilla) with my Chaos Marine. I won't say how it went but I would like if you guys could review my list that I took. It was an excellent game with lots of random things happening and some great luck . So here's the list, after a few comments if you guys would like I will post the results.

Abaddon The Despoiler

10 Chosen Chaos Terminators
- Icon Of Slaanesh
- 10 Pairs Of Lightning Claws

9 Khorne Berzerker
- Personal Icon
- 1 Skull Champion
- Power Weapon
- Rhino
- Extra Armour
- Combi-Melta

9 Plague Marines
- 1 Plague Champion
- Power Fist
- Combi-Melta
-Rhino
- Twin-Linker Bolter

Defiler
- Extra Close Combat Arms

Predator
- Twin-Linker Las Cannon
- Side Sponsor Las Cannons

3 Obliterators

18 Summoned Lessor Daemons

I think this is a very very (did I mention very?) risky list. Your terminators are more than 50 points a piece, and could be kited by just about anything with no means to retaliate.

I like the berserker unit, I just think it lacks meltabombs.

2 troops at 2250 is such a risk if you fall on objectives missions, I will not even go into it.

I always loved summoned daemons, I am sure they performed well!

All in all, the architecture of this list is too risky for me to try such a list, but hey, it could work.

Seb wrote:I think this is a very very (did I mention very?) risky list. Your terminators are more than 50 points a piece, and could be kited by just about anything with no means to retaliate.

I like the berserker unit, I just think it lacks meltabombs.

2 troops at 2250 is such a risk if you fall on objectives missions, I will not even go into it.

I always loved summoned daemons, I am sure they performed well!

All in all, the architecture of this list is too risky for me to try such a list, but hey, it could work.

Yeah i know it looks really risky but they way I saw it was there is a 2 out of 3 chance I wouldn't get Seize Ground so no need for more than one Troop choice in the case to hold an objective. I normally load up on them about 4 or 5

I had plenty of anti-tank so I didn't think I needed them, plus I don't think they are meant for charging tanks .

I play Word Bearers so I like to include daemon for fluff, they preform great always. I just ordered a box of Bloddletters yesterday

What is wrong with my terminators their only 51.5 points each, and I 5 lightning claws rip things apart. My friend charged with a C'tan shard and I brought it down to one wound with only 6 terminators because the C'tans are I 4 and they weren't even champions.

I see several problems in this list. The first is Abaddon and the Terminators who are on foot. I guess they will be deep striking. This opens up the second problem, there's only a single icon in your army, which is on the Berzerkers and they will probably die and hurling themselves into combat. A smart player will target these first to a. stop them getting into combat and b. stop Daemons coming down and c. make abaddon and his cronies scatter.

Then you've got anti tank problems. Sure you may have enough to deal with limited tanks, though a serious amount of vehicles and you'll have problems. You've only got three real units at a threat at range, the Plague Marines will be camping it up.

Speaking of Plague Marines, you only need 5, not 10. You need 5 to get double special weapons and that's it.

IXLoiero95XI wrote:

Seb wrote:I think this is a very very (did I mention very?) risky list. Your terminators are more than 50 points a piece, and could be kited by just about anything with no means to retaliate.

I like the berserker unit, I just think it lacks meltabombs.

2 troops at 2250 is such a risk if you fall on objectives missions, I will not even go into it.

I always loved summoned daemons, I am sure they performed well!

All in all, the architecture of this list is too risky for me to try such a list, but hey, it could work.

Yeah i know it looks really risky but they way I saw it was there is a 2 out of 3 chance I wouldn't get Seize Ground so no need for more than one Troop choice in the case to hold an objective. I normally load up on them about 4 or 5

I had plenty of anti-tank so I didn't think I needed them, plus I don't think they are meant for charging tanks .

I play Word Bearers so I like to include daemon for fluff, they preform great always. I just ordered a box of Bloddletters yesterday

What is wrong with my terminators their only 51.5 points each, and I 5 lightning claws rip things apart. My friend charged with a C'tan shard and I brought it down to one wound with only 6 terminators because the C'tans are I 4 and they weren't even champions.

Problem with the terminators is that they will be deep striking, i.e. sitting ducks for at least one turn of shooting. As mercer points out, only 1 icon to guide them.
As a suggestion, I'd try to have at least some combi meltas in there, and a CF just in case.
(To be fair, my own termi unit is 5 guys strong, 2 with combi melta LC, 2 DLC and 1 HF/CF - they bear a MoT though)

On the meltabombs, I am more afraid of a dread tarpitting your zerkers than them charging into a tank.

Ok well since this list is getting a lot of hate I'll let you guys know early It was Annihilation with Pitched Battle deployment.

My friend fielded . . .

Marneus Calgar
Honour Guard
Chaplain Cassius - with them

10 Tactical marines with a missile launcher

10 tactical marines with a multi-melta in a drop pod

10 Tactical marines with a plasma gun and power weapon

5 assault marine with a power weapon

Land raider - for Marneus, Honour guard and Cassius

Las cannon Predator

Vindicator

I won, but a few high points in the game . . .

First turn the Defiler popped the enemies Predator tank, my Obliterators took out his demolisher cannon on his vindicator. I kept Abaddon and terminators out of LOS using a building and the rhino's but i lost 4 terminators from a direct hit from orbital bombardment which was the only game it hit something aswell.

A like turn 4, Abaddon charges the assault marines that had been in combat with daemons for 2 turns and killed them. A squad of terminators and Marneus and Cassius and the Honour guard charged Abaddon and his 4 terminators left. Abaddon brought Marneus to 1 wound my terminators killed his terminators before they attacked, Marneus brought Abaddon to one wound and his Honour guard kill my terminators. Abaddon kill Marneus, plague charge and kill the honour guard. berzerkers charged another tact squad and wiped them out. Obliterators and Predator fired with las cannons and plasma cannons wiping out a tact squad at the back.

It was risky but it fought hard and I won pretty dam good. Not gloating.

Well that maybe the case and sounds a good battle, that's not going to happen every game.

mercer wrote:Well that maybe the case and sounds a good battle, that's not going to happen every game.

Oh yeah I know but the whole Abaddon and 10 Chosen Terminators with Lightning Claws and Icon of Slaanesh really put on the hurt.

Like I said, you cannot base the productivity of one unit on a single game.

I like the unit. I think the delivery method puts it at risk. I'd say safer to go a LR + Abaddon and 4 termies.

Too few troops, too many points in expensive units.

You could do well against certain armies in kill point games, because you don't have a lot of kill points to give up. But many competitive lists with MSU shooting spam will quickly table you.

DE venom spam would be an auto lose for you, as would meched up SW, IG, or BA. Grey Knights wouldn't even need to be meched up to obliterate you with mass psycannons. But they probably would be anyway.

I strongly agree with Seb: Drop 5 Termies in favour of a Land Raider. Put Demonic Possession on it (your weapons are all twin-linked). The LR itself is a threat, and you can safely get Abaddon into assault.

One Lash Prince, and Abaddon and his group would get flung all over hell's creation for the duration of the game.

The general rule of thumb is 1 squad of Troops for every 500 points in your army. You should be running 4 minimum. Vanilla Chaos Space Marines are cheap, can take 2 special weapons if you take a squad of 10, and are hard to scare if you take an Icon of Chaos Glory. (10 CSM, Icon, 2 flamers = 170 points).