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Since my other thread regarding the Flood confronting the Reapers seems to have conclusively come to the foregone end of Reapers winning, let's move on to a confrontation between the Forerunners and the Reapers. This should be more difficult for the Reapers to win, seeing as the Forerunners are masters of slipspace technology and plasma weaponry just as the Reapers are masters of mass effect physics and element zero technology. Both sides also constructed mega-structures, for the Forerunners, the Halos and the Reapers, the Mass Relays and the Citadel. Would the Reapers be affected by the Halo Effect? Like the bio-synthetics that are one result of ME3, the Reapers have the strengths of both but the weaknesses of neither - the Halos might not affect them at all. And can the Forerunners' mastery of slipspace technology allow them to engage the Reapers on equal terms and avoid indoctrination/reaperification?

Couldn't you do this is the other thread?

Corpsesarefun wrote:Couldn't you do this is the other thread?

Not really. The other thread involved the Flood vs. the Reapers. If I put this there, it would only result in confusion. So, made another thread regarding the matter.

Just say "ok guys how about forerunner vs reapers" rather than creating a very similar topic about the same two universes coming into conflict.

Corpsesarefun wrote:Just say "ok guys how about forerunner vs reapers" rather than creating a very similar topic about the same two universes coming into conflict.

Thing is, I can't alter the poll though.

...hmmmm ..

.we're cool here

Damnit mods, I'm a DCM! You guys are meant to give me preferential treatment remember?

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I thought we could alter polls by editing the first post, probably even resetting them by removing it then adding a different one. :/

n0t_u wrote:I thought we could alter polls by editing the first post, probably even resetting them by removing it then adding a different one. :/

Huh? We could do that? I didn't know that...feth, we're going off topic arguing about the matter instead of the topic...this isn't funny, but why in Throne's name am I laughing?

And whoever voted Forerunners had better give an explanation...I can't decide who's stronger, Reapers or Forerunner, so even I haven't voted yet.

Forerunners.

The Halo Universe has Skulls. Just activate More Cowbell and Dodge, throw an explosion of some sort, and then shoot them before they recover.

My vote is the reapers, since they have made the galaxy mostly null n' void of all life a good handful of times

Forerunners..
Their tech level beats the Reaper IMO...

purplefood wrote:Forerunners..
Their tech level beats the Reaper IMO...

How so? They are at least on par with each other.

Lord Scythican wrote:

purplefood wrote:Forerunners..
Their tech level beats the Reaper IMO...

How so? They are at least on par with each other.

I'd say the Forerunners beat them but frankly i really can't be bothered to check it...

I'd say forerunners because of the slip space and dimensional technology. This would allow the Forerunners to easily hide from the reapers or ambush them.

Mr Nobody wrote:I'd say forerunners because of the slip space and dimensional technology. This would allow the Forerunners to easily hide from the reapers or ambush them.

Isn't this close to the whole mass relay technology?

Do they also have the firepower to take down a reaper? It took a whole fleet to take down one reaper.

Lord Scythican wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:I'd say forerunners because of the slip space and dimensional technology. This would allow the Forerunners to easily hide from the reapers or ambush them.

Isn't this close to the whole mass relay technology?

Do they also have the firepower to take down a reaper? It took a whole fleet to take down one reaper.

It took a whole fleet of Mass Effect ships to kill 1 reaper...
The Forerunners are far more advanced than most if not all races in Mass Effect.
Mass Effect FTL requires a Mass Relay.
Slip space FTL doesn't...

purplefood wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:I'd say forerunners because of the slip space and dimensional technology. This would allow the Forerunners to easily hide from the reapers or ambush them.

Isn't this close to the whole mass relay technology?

Do they also have the firepower to take down a reaper? It took a whole fleet to take down one reaper.

It took a whole fleet of Mass Effect ships to kill 1 reaper...
The Forerunners are far more advanced than most if not all races in Mass Effect.
Mass Effect FTL requires a Mass Relay.
Slip space FTL doesn't...

But they were mostly wiped out by the flood, so they are not so advanced that they are invincible. It would be a good fight, but I am not seeing anything that puts the forerunners over top of the reapers. More or less this looks like a Star Wars vs. Star Trek debate. In a factious universe we could argue to we are blue in the face and there would always be something to add.

The Flood are a very different enemy than the Reapers just because you can't beat one doesn't mean you can't beat the other...
I'd say that the Forerunners have an advantage over the Reaper but that is simply my opinion...

purplefood wrote:The Flood are a very different enemy than the Reapers just because you can't beat one doesn't mean you can't beat the other...
I'd say that the Forerunners have an advantage over the Reaper but that is simply my opinion...

But the reapers have beat way more than one enemy. Every 50,000 years they wipe out all highly advanced civilizations and this has been going on for a very long time. They haven't been beat and since they forerunners have, I would say that is a major advantage.

Still it all boils down to what has been written. The book Cryptum really makes a strong point for the Forerunners, but I still get the feeling that in order to win, they would have to destroy everything including themselves. That isn't really winning.


But like all good vs. threads, power levels can be tweaked with a few words. Take the whole superman vs. hulk for example. One comic shows that the hulk can do something the supes can't.

Lord Scythican wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:I'd say forerunners because of the slip space and dimensional technology. This would allow the Forerunners to easily hide from the reapers or ambush them.

Isn't this close to the whole mass relay technology?

Do they also have the firepower to take down a reaper? It took a whole fleet to take down one reaper.

Forerunner technology involves slipping into another dimension, then slipping back somewhere else. Forerunners could also keep planet sized objects in this dimension where they can't touch it. This means forerunners could sit in these shield worlds, out of the reach of the reapers.

Mr Nobody wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:I'd say forerunners because of the slip space and dimensional technology. This would allow the Forerunners to easily hide from the reapers or ambush them.

Isn't this close to the whole mass relay technology?

Do they also have the firepower to take down a reaper? It took a whole fleet to take down one reaper.

Forerunner technology involves slipping into another dimension, then slipping back somewhere else. Forerunners could also keep planet sized objects in this dimension where they can't touch it. This means forerunners could sit in these shield worlds, out of the reach of the reapers.

Those same shield worlds got broken into by the Flood when the Gravemind convinced Mendicant Bias to join them. If the Reapers succeed in indoctrinating a few Forerunners, they could just break into those same shield worlds.

Tadashi wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:I'd say forerunners because of the slip space and dimensional technology. This would allow the Forerunners to easily hide from the reapers or ambush them.

Isn't this close to the whole mass relay technology?

Do they also have the firepower to take down a reaper? It took a whole fleet to take down one reaper.

Forerunner technology involves slipping into another dimension, then slipping back somewhere else. Forerunners could also keep planet sized objects in this dimension where they can't touch it. This means forerunners could sit in these shield worlds, out of the reach of the reapers.

Those same shield worlds got broken into by the Flood when the Gravemind convinced Mendicant Bias to join them. If the Reapers succeed in indoctrinating a few Forerunners, they could just break into those same shield worlds.

Mendicant Bias was a hyper intelligent AI, a single Forerunner may not be able to access the shield worlds in the same way.

purplefood wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:I'd say forerunners because of the slip space and dimensional technology. This would allow the Forerunners to easily hide from the reapers or ambush them.

Isn't this close to the whole mass relay technology?

Do they also have the firepower to take down a reaper? It took a whole fleet to take down one reaper.

Forerunner technology involves slipping into another dimension, then slipping back somewhere else. Forerunners could also keep planet sized objects in this dimension where they can't touch it. This means forerunners could sit in these shield worlds, out of the reach of the reapers.

Those same shield worlds got broken into by the Flood when the Gravemind convinced Mendicant Bias to join them. If the Reapers succeed in indoctrinating a few Forerunners, they could just break into those same shield worlds.

Mendicant Bias was a hyper intelligent AI, a single Forerunner may not be able to access the shield worlds in the same way.

Yeah, and the reapers easily hacked, and indoctrinated the Geth,an A.I.

I know it was only like 5%, but still, it can break down A.I.s just as well as organics.

purplefood wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:I'd say forerunners because of the slip space and dimensional technology. This would allow the Forerunners to easily hide from the reapers or ambush them.

Isn't this close to the whole mass relay technology?

Do they also have the firepower to take down a reaper? It took a whole fleet to take down one reaper.

Forerunner technology involves slipping into another dimension, then slipping back somewhere else. Forerunners could also keep planet sized objects in this dimension where they can't touch it. This means forerunners could sit in these shield worlds, out of the reach of the reapers.

Those same shield worlds got broken into by the Flood when the Gravemind convinced Mendicant Bias to join them. If the Reapers succeed in indoctrinating a few Forerunners, they could just break into those same shield worlds.

Mendicant Bias was a hyper intelligent AI, a single Forerunner may not be able to access the shield worlds in the same way.

And what if they indoctrinate someone really high up? Someone like the Forerunner-equivalent of an Asari Matriarch? Or the equivalent of a top Spectre like Saren?

Shadows win.

Amaya wrote:Shadows win.

A bit off topic, but not that easily. The Forerunners have the Halos after all. They fire those and its over. The Reapers won't be affected since they're mechanical; the Reapers could simply lay waste to any Shadow-controlled planet from orbit - the only reason they don't do that is because of their directive to harvest advanced organic civilizations. But if they set that aside, entire worlds will burn.

Tadashi wrote:

Amaya wrote:Shadows win.

A bit off topic, but not that easily. The Forerunners have the Halos after all. They fire those and its over. The Reapers won't be affected since they're mechanical; the Reapers could simply lay waste to any Shadow-controlled planet from orbit - the only reason they don't do that is because of their directive to harvest advanced organic civilizations. But if they set that aside, entire worlds will burn.

Reapers are semi-organic.

The Forerunners built a device that can wipe out all sentient life in the galaxy... I think that they'd give the Reapers a good run.

Wait a minute why didn't the Reapers think of that? It would have made their job so much easier!

Better Question: Reapers vs the Yuzhang Vong! FIGHT!

LordofHats wrote:The Forerunners built a device that can wipe out all sentient life in the galaxy... I think that they'd give the Reapers a good run.

Wait a minute why didn't the Reapers think of that? It would have made their job so much easier!

Better Question: Reapers vs the Yuzhang Vong! FIGHT!

Indoctrinated Yuzhan Vong would be sick.