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2012/04/27 02:47:20
Subject: The Saints
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Been Around the Block
Phx, Arizona
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How many living Saints are there i looked on lexicanum and found hardly any. That and do they still have roles in battle ?
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2012/04/27 02:50:48
Subject: The Saints
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Calm Celestian
Windsor Ontario Canada
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How many Living Saints are there? I don't think their is currently an answer but so far I know of 2 (saint Celestine and another one in the guard books).
Saints do play large roles in battle, just look at Saint Celestine who is able to defeat a daemon prince in the fluff. I heard the other saint was able to defeat a baneblade.
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2012/04/27 03:00:57
Subject: The Saints
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Saint Sabbat from the Gaunt books basically chopped up a tank. Can't remember if it was a baneblade or not.
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2012/04/27 04:19:19
Subject: The Saints
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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pretre wrote:Saint Sabbat from the Gaunt books basically chopped up a tank. Can't remember if it was a baneblade or not.
Yes, it was a renegade Baneblade.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/04/27 07:35:19
Subject: The Saints
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
Brisbane, Australia
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Traitor or not, that crewman deserves a freaking medal.
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sebster wrote:
Orlanth wrote:Its a known fact that Aussies are genetically disposed towards crime, we intentionally set them up that way.
But only awesome crimes like bushranging and, if I understand the song correctly, sheep stealing and suicide.
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2012/04/27 11:28:48
Subject: The Saints
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
Norway
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Would the shot even have affected her? I mean, she tears though a Baneblade with no effort. The shot from a laspistol shouldn't affect her much.
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2012/04/27 13:13:30
Subject: The Saints
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Beaviz81 wrote:Would the shot even have affected her? I mean, she tears though a Baneblade with no effort. The shot from a laspistol shouldn't affect her much.
She was wearing power armor, but without a helmet. A shot to the head would have killed her for sure. The rest of the body, I don't think so. I'm not sure if she had a ranged-weapon, but she was wearing Artificer Adepta Sororitas Power Armor, with what might have been a Master-crafted Power Sword. In battle she's accompanied by several heavy weapon servo skulls, and apparently has an aquila aura behind her, though I'm not sure if that was her power or a hologram. Personally, IMO, it was her power, as she had an empathic ability to sense people's emotions and selves, as well as limited precognitive abilities. And I do believe that she IS the reincarnated Saint Sabbat, as even the Champion of Chaos leading the invasion confirmed it as true from the Warp and not just Imperial psykers but also that of the enemy were being blinded by the amount of power surging through the Warp - most likely the Emperor manipulating the Warp to protect her soul from dissolving back into the Immaterium before she could fully reincarnate and re-infusing it with power.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/04/27 13:36:39
Subject: The Saints
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
Norway
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Oh I thought the Saints was the third most powerful humans in WH40k behind the Emperor and the Primarchs.
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2012/04/27 13:50:31
Subject: The Saints
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Beaviz81 wrote:Oh I thought the Saints was the third most powerful humans in WH40k behind the Emperor and the Primarchs.
They are. The Emperor manifests small fractions of His power through them, but enough to overturn the plans of Mankind's enemies and set the hearts and minds of many into action. Even Astartes, for all our disregard for the Imperial Church, have nothing but respect for the Saints' abilities. The first incarnation of Saint Sabbat was brought to her grave by an Honor Guard of no less than four Astartes from the White Scars Chapter, which goes to show how Astartes hold in high regard someone who has proven themselves to be truly favored by the Emperor, unlike the priests of the Ecclesiarchy, who probably attained their position by less than noble means.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/04/27 14:00:13
Subject: The Saints
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
Norway
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Most priests of the Ecclesiarchy likely are noble enough, of course scum exists as well just like IRL. I had a lengthy discussion about that with Melissia and the other person with great knowledge about the Sisters of Battle.
Also I didn't know the Asartes disregarded the Imperial Church. Ehm it's not that I don't believe you, but can you show me the source of that?
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2012/04/27 14:09:39
Subject: The Saints
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Tadashi wrote:They are. The Emperor manifests small fractions of His power through them, but enough to overturn the plans of Mankind's enemies and set the hearts and minds of many into action.
Has it ever been definitively said that the Saints are created/infused with power by the Emperor? I know the Ecclesiarchy likes to say that, but we still don't know. (Just as we don't know where the Faith powers of SoB come from internal or external sources.)
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2012/04/27 14:15:08
Subject: The Saints
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
Norway
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It has been stated that many Saints are resurrected due to the power of the Emperor. I think it was that Tadashi meant.
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2012/04/27 14:24:59
Subject: The Saints
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Regular Dakkanaut
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pretre wrote: Saints are created/infused with power by the Emperor? I know the Ecclesiarchy likes to say that, but we still don't know. (Just as we don't know where the Faith powers of SoB come from internal or external sources.)
It all depends who you are deciding to use as a source.
In terms of the Codices, the ambiguity seems to be maintained in terms of both Saints and Acts of Faith (although its been explicitly said on numerous occasions that AoF's are not Psyker/Warp related).
In terms of the FFG Roleplaying material - AoF's and Saints are connected directly back to the God-Emperor.
Edit - a Caveat must be made.
Within the fictional world, the Thorian faction of the Inquisition accepts the existence of Saints per the manner Tadashi has rendered it.
It should also be noted that St. Sabbat is Dan Abnett's Ersatz Joan of Arc - who by all indications seems to have been reincarnated at the behest of the God-Emperor.
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2012/04/27 14:29:26
Subject: The Saints
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Ahh, that explains it a bit. One of the coolest bits about Saints and SoB is you never know. You know it isn't warp energy. You know the Saints aren't Daemons. You know the SoB aren't psykers. From there, you are left to guess.
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2012/04/27 14:35:02
Subject: The Saints
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Regular Dakkanaut
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pretre wrote:Ahh, that explains it a bit. One of the coolest bits about Saints and SoB is you never know. You know it isn't warp energy. You know the Saints aren't Daemons. You know the SoB aren't psykers. From there, you are left to guess.
You could interpret some of the AoF's to fanatical loyalty/training on behalf of the SoB.
the Saints however - given what we've seen Celestine, Anais, and Sabbat actually do - it gets harder to pin them down and say "it must be psychological/physical conditioning."
They may simply be like the Astropaths and share some undefined relationship with the God-Emperor.
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2012/04/27 15:25:13
Subject: The Saints
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Servoarm Flailing Magos
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pretre wrote:Tadashi wrote:They are. The Emperor manifests small fractions of His power through them, but enough to overturn the plans of Mankind's enemies and set the hearts and minds of many into action.
Has it ever been definitively said that the Saints are created/infused with power by the Emperor? I know the Ecclesiarchy likes to say that, but we still don't know. (Just as we don't know where the Faith powers of SoB come from internal or external sources.)
Isn't the emperor the only non-evil thing in the warp? If so it'd follow logically that the saints had some of his power since they're clearly not evil.
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2012/04/27 16:02:15
Subject: The Saints
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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But it has also been said that the Saints and SOB have no tie to Psychic powers or the Warp.
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2012/04/27 16:18:43
Subject: The Saints
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Regular Dakkanaut
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pretre wrote:But it has also been said that the Saints and SOB have no tie to Psychic powers or the Warp.
well, being tied to the Emperor doesn't necessarily imply Psyker/Warp powers.
The mystery with LS and the SOBs isn't so much a matter of affiliation - its more about "how do they do the things that they do?"
Even the FFG RPG doesn't give a definitive answer - they simply say they are tied to the Emperor....somehow.
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2012/04/27 16:20:50
Subject: The Saints
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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ContemplativeSphinx wrote:pretre wrote:But it has also been said that the Saints and SOB have no tie to Psychic powers or the Warp.
well, being tied to the Emperor doesn't necessarily imply Psyker/Warp powers.
The mystery with LS and the SOBs isn't so much a matter of affiliation - its more about "how do they do the things that they do?"
Even the FFG RPG doesn't give a definitive answer - they simply say they are tied to the Emperor....somehow.
Keep in mind that I was directly responding to this:
Joey wrote:Isn't the emperor the only non-evil thing in the warp? If so it'd follow logically that the saints had some of his power since they're clearly not evil
He was implying that the SoB/Saints have a connection to the warp.
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2012/04/27 16:32:46
Subject: The Saints
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Regular Dakkanaut
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pretre wrote:Keep in mind that I was directly responding to this:
Joey wrote:Isn't the emperor the only non-evil thing in the warp? If so it'd follow logically that the saints had some of his power since they're clearly not evil
He was implying that the SoB/Saints have a connection to the warp.
Erp. my bad!
I have seen a few theories about how they are supposed to "do the things they do."
1.) They are "Law" Daemons
Since WH40K is indebted to Michael Moorcock's Law vs. Chaos theme, some believe that the LS are simply the other side of the coin.
2.) the AoF are similar to Ork's WAAAAGGH!
The Orks, for whatever mysterious reason, do not participate in the Warp proper but through their Gestalt are able to influence reality. This is more than simply having a Weirdboy explode with psyker power.
When a massive number of Orks are around - painting things red does in fact make things go faster!
Its the "Consensual reality" paradigm - something which may power the AoF for SOBs.
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2012/04/27 16:36:33
Subject: The Saints
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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I buy the second one more than the first one.
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2012/04/27 16:43:56
Subject: The Saints
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
Eye of Terror
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The "Saints" Are actually Sensei's.... Meaning someday the emperor will be reborn
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2012/04/27 16:45:16
Subject: The Saints
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Brother Thomas wrote:The "Saints" Are actually Sensei's.... Meaning someday the emperor will be reborn
/skeptical look
I am happy that some pieces of fluff were retconned. 
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2012/04/27 16:46:07
Subject: The Saints
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
Eye of Terror
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Define Retcon, lol.
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2012/04/27 16:47:37
Subject: The Saints
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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2012/04/27 16:49:10
Subject: The Saints
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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ContemplativeSphinx wrote:pretre wrote:Keep in mind that I was directly responding to this: Joey wrote:Isn't the emperor the only non-evil thing in the warp? If so it'd follow logically that the saints had some of his power since they're clearly not evil
He was implying that the SoB/Saints have a connection to the warp.
Erp. my bad! I have seen a few theories about how they are supposed to "do the things they do." 1.) They are "Law" Daemons Since WH40K is indebted to Michael Moorcock's Law vs. Chaos theme, some believe that the LS are simply the other side of the coin. 2.) the AoF are similar to Ork's WAAAAGGH! The Orks, for whatever mysterious reason, do not participate in the Warp proper but through their Gestalt are able to influence reality. This is more than simply having a Weirdboy explode with psyker power. When a massive number of Orks are around - painting things red does in fact make things go faster! Its the "Consensual reality" paradigm - something which may power the AoF for SOBs.
that might be me being uneducated on the fluff, but I always thought that any kind of psychic power (things science can't explain) came from the immaterium. Since our understading of the warp is quite small, I always though mthe orks waaaaagh was a kind of warp power that they managed to use without knowing about it. as for the AoF, I think we can agree that the Emperor has powers in the warp close (if not greater) than the Chaos gods (after all, the only way they fought him was trough corrupting his armies and despite emboldeing horus with their powers, they still partially lost), so he can/could imprint saints with his powers like chaos gods "give" some of their power to some humans trhough their servants (deamons). Again I might be extremely wrong as my understanding of other factions than the IGs and the orks is quite limited.
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2012/04/27 16:51:45
Subject: The Saints
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
Eye of Terror
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pretre wrote:Brother Thomas wrote:The "Saints" Are actually Sensei's.... Meaning someday the emperor will be reborn
/skeptical look
I am happy that some pieces of fluff were retconned.
Ah I see now, but you never really know. The Sensei's are said to be immortal and have untold power....
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2012/04/27 17:06:22
Subject: The Saints
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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They retconned it in the 3rd edition rulebook by saying the Sensei were unwitting pawns of Tzeentch and they were eliminated by an inquisitor.
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2012/04/27 17:09:24
Subject: The Saints
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
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:( Oh well.
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2012/04/27 18:49:15
Subject: The Saints
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pretre wrote:They retconned it in the 3rd edition rulebook by saying the Sensei were unwitting pawns of Tzeentch and they were eliminated by an inquisitor.
That was an in-universe source. As such, it wasn't actually a retcon. The Inquistor may have been mistaken and simply assumed that they were pawns of Tzeentch. He might not have managed to take all of them down. They still existed, and may or may not have actually be the children of the Emperor.
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