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in an argument about hive guard casuing wounds on Vehicles it was portrayed that when taking cover saves Wounds==pens/glances.

not if this is true, if my penitent engine is in close combat with a vehicle and hits 4 times and casue 4 pen/glances would it generate 4 more attacks.

it says for every wound caused. so i would say no.

But if wounds==pens/glances then would this not work?

or is someone going to tell me wounds=/=pens/glances except when dealing with cover saves, or some jazz

Your post is a little tough to read, but I would have to say that vehicles do not take wounds, therefore you would not gain additional attacks from hitting a vehicle.

The Vehicle rules say that they get a cover save against a glance/pen just like a normal model does against a wound.

P.62 BRB

There is a specific allowance for vehicles to take cover saves.

Vehicles don't take wounds, any attack or special rule related to wounds only doesn't effect vehicles.

LOL, i agree with you.

now Read the FAQ on hive guards and cover saves. then tell me with a straight face that my KFF Save is denied when it is shooting a vehicle is in range of it.

What FAQ are you talking about? If you're talking about the one on the impaler cannon, then you very clearly don't get a cover save for being within the KFF. The KFF is not terrain.


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juraigamer wrote:Vehicles don't take wounds, any attack or special rule related to wounds only doesn't effect vehicles.

Although I don't know of anyone who plays the RAW on vehicles and invulnerable saves.

yes yes the KFF is not terrain.

But when concerning vehicles its irrelevant.

and as jura stated, vehicles dont take wounds.

so if the impaler cannon ignores cover saves when dealing wounds, how is it ignoring a cover save on a vehicle that does not take wounds. that was the point.

(nos and rigeld2 and death reaper are a fan of.....When a vehicle is obscured it make take a cover save Exactly like it were infantry boat. which is to say Wounds==pens/glances.

If the FAQ were the actual rule, you'd have a decent argument. But it is an FAQ providing more detail on how a rule works. And the rule itself does not mention wounds.

So while the FAQ explains how the rule works for wounds, you cannot seriously believe that the rule will function differently for glances/pens than it does for wounds.

kmdl1066 wrote:If the FAQ were the actual rule, you'd have a decent argument. But it is an FAQ providing more detail on how a rule works. And the rule itself does not mention wounds.

So while the FAQ explains how the rule works for wounds, you cannot seriously believe that the rule will function differently for glances/pens than it does for wounds.

Q: Can a unit take cover saves from any source other
than the terrain they are in, or touching, against
Wounds caused by an impaler cannon? (p47)
A: No.

well i can due to the faq saying Wounds caused by the impaler cannon. does not say pens/glances.

But the rule itself does not mention wounds. The rule itself just talks about cover saves.

The FAQ does not replace the actual rule. The rule in the rule book which doesn't mentions wounds is still there. The FAQ specifically mentions wounds, true. But having seen it clearly explained how the rule works for wounds, you really don't want to apply that exact same logic to glances/pens?

logic has no place in this game.

the Faq is a Clarifaction of the the impaler cannon.

Yes, it states that wounds are saved against only from terrain. Vehicles treat glancing/pen hits as wounds for taking cover saves.

The Pen engine (or any other "cause wounds" mechanic) does not have such a caveat.

yes yes i know the argument and dont care to repeat it here. was proving a point to kmdl1066,

i was pretty sure it was a No. hence why i said

"or is someone going to tell me wounds=/=pens/glances except when dealing with cover saves, or some jazz"

which is what your telling me.

So... the thread title is totally accurate.

Odd Concept when that happens i know.

The rules for the Impaler Cannon make perfectly clear that it ignores cover the same way for whatever the target is. The FAQ answer only specifically mentions wounds, but by the nature of the Impaler Cannon rules, ruling it that way for Wounds must mean the same for glances/pens.

Mannahnin wrote:The rules for the Impaler Cannon make perfectly clear that it ignores cover the same way for whatever the target is. The FAQ answer only specifically mentions wounds, but by the nature of the Impaler Cannon rules, ruling it that way for Wounds must mean the same for glances/pens.

The end.

You are told that vehicles treat pens / glances as wounds for the purposes of cover saves

Find a rule stating that they treat pens / glances as wounds in general. Oh wait, there is no such rule.

the thread title was entirley accurate

Yep, everyone agreed that vehicles don't take wounds. And if the only subject in the thread was "do blood talons get extra attacks against vehicles", the thread would have been two posts long.

90% of the thread has been the contention created by GODLYNESS extrapolating "vehicles don't take wounds" into "therefore vehicles can take a cover save against an Impaler Cannon even if the vehicle is not in or touching terrain."

just being informative

nosferatu1001 wrote:You are told that vehicles treat pens / glances as wounds for the purposes of cover saves

Find a rule stating that they treat pens / glances as wounds in general. Oh wait, there is no such rule.

the thread title was entirley accurate

Took the words right out of my mouth.

Godlyness, you're jumping to a conclusion that doesn't make logical sense. We are saying that vehicles take cover saves in the same way that normal models take wounds. This is NOT a general rule that Armour Penetration is the same as inflicting a Wound; it is a specific circumstance that means the Impaler Cannon ignores the cover save. It does not mean that any other To Wound interactions (such as the Penitent Engine rules you quote; also including things like Lightning Claws) will work against the Armour Penetration roll against a vehicle. That is an extrapolation based off faulty logic.

THE_GODLYNESS wrote:just being informative

Just being wrong, actually.

Vehicles can take cover saves like a normal model, but special wargear giving rerolls to wound, extra attacks etc dont affect it