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Can a Blood Angels Vanguard Veteran Sergeant take a Glaive Encarmine (a two handed master crafted power weapon) AND a storm shield ?

Edit - Just realized I should have put this in the rules section. sorry

AFAIK, you can take both options, but you would not be allowed to use the shield in close combat, as the shield is unwieldable with a weapon in the same hand.

Not totally sure, but I think you could use it to block shooting, and not in CC, but as you're going to be in CC most of the time anyway, It's not the best choice.

I think you'd be better of to just use a lightning claw, as it allows you rerolls to wound. Lightning claws are always better than power weapons when dual wielded, or wielded with a storm shield, whereas power weapons are always better when wielded with a pistol or additional close combat weapon. This is because power weapons always grant any other close combat weapon their armour-negating ability, while lightning claws don't. Source: Rulebook page 42

Firstly, never take a Glaive Encarmine, unless you have no other option. A lightning claw (or even a power weapon if you have a bolt pistol) is so much better for the same points. One re-roll to hit is not worth losing the bonus attack from your bolt pistol. Re-rolls to wound is worth losing it.

Secondly, in my opinion, like relic blades the two-handed bit just prevents you gaining a bonus attack for two close combat weapons. You could still use the storm shield.

As I said though, it's irrelevant because at no point do you ever want to be taking a Glaive Encarmine if you have the option of anything else.

It's a feathered headdress dark angel captain I have painted up as a vanguard sergeant, so unfortunately he is stuck holding he power sword as it is in a bad position for hacking off. So he will just wield his sword and storm shield in a slightly less than optimal fitting.

nkon117 wrote:AFAIK, you can take both options, but you would not be allowed to use the shield in close combat, as the shield is unwieldable with a weapon in the same hand.

Not totally sure, but I think you could use it to block shooting, and not in CC, but as you're going to be in CC most of the time anyway, It's not the best choice.

I think you'd be better of to just use a lightning claw, as it allows you rerolls to wound. Lightning claws are always better than power weapons when dual wielded, or wielded with a storm shield, whereas power weapons are always better when wielded with a pistol or additional close combat weapon. This is because power weapons always grant any other close combat weapon their armour-negating ability, while lightning claws don't. Source: Rulebook page 42

Space Marine Captains can wield a Storm Shield + Relic Blade, as stated in the Space Marine FAQ, and use them to full effect.

They just wont get the bonus for having +1 weapon in each hand.