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Alright, here is my revised CSM list for the tournament I plan on going to, which is quite some time from now. Plenty of time to finish modelling/painting, all the while practicing, practicing and revising.


This list totals up to 1996pts.

HQ - 315pts.
1. Father Gorbugalcyst - Lord with Wings, MoN and Daemon Weapon. - 170pts.

2. Uncle Lagranos - Sorcerer with Familiar, WoC and Doombolt - 145pts.


Troops - 1141pts.
1. Plague Marines x7 - Champion with PF; Icon; x2 Plasmaguns - 236pts.

2. PMs x5 - Champ with PF & Combi-melta; Icon; x2 Meltaguns; in Rhino w/ Combi-melta - 235 pts.

3. PMs x5 - Champ with PW & Icon; x2 Flamers; in Rhino w/ Combi-melta - 205pts.
-- Uncle Lagranos rides with these cronies.

4. PMs x5 - Champ with PF & Icon; x2 Meltaguns; in Rhino w/ Combi-melta - 225pts.

5. CSMs x9 - Champ with PW; IoCG; x2 Meltaguns; in Rhino w/ Combi-melta - 240 pts.


Fast Attack - 240pts.
1. Raptors x7 - Champ with PF; IoN; x2 Flamers - 240pts.
-- Father Gorbugalcyst blazes around with these demented flyboys.


Heavy Support - 300 pts.
1. Obliterators x2 - 150pts.

2. Obliterators x2 - 150pts.


Alternative for the place of my Lord as follows:

Mhagel'nys'zease - DP with Wings, MoN, Warptime - 175pts.


Also, my Raptors would be replaced by the following:

Chosen x6. - Champ with PF; IoCG; x2 Flamers; in Rhino w/ Combi-melta - 238pts.


If I place those into the list instead, it brings the total to 1999pts.

Questions, comments, and criticisms appreciated.

I like the list. The Lord with Wings running with a squad of Raptors is inventive and unique.

I wonder if you need 5 Troops units. Perhaps thin down by one unit and beef up your Oblits to squads of 3. Then use any points left over to beef up squad counts.

Just my 2¢

Well, you don't need that many troops. I'd take 4 PM squads of 7 Marines with 2 special weapons of the same kind and power fist, in a Rhino.
Add to this 2 winged DPs and as many Obliterators you can take.

imho i think 5 troops can have its place, if you're going the MSU path to building a super-competitive list. in which case you'd have 5 x 5man squads packing 10x meltas. champs optional, depending if you take 6 or 9 blitz.

the sorceror seems a bit out of place- consider dropping him for another squad of Obliterators? Are you really planning on DS with the raptors? As there's another 20 points you could trim in icons otherwise.

also suggest dropping the combi weapon on the plague champ. The guy is about 63 pts as it is, and you've got 2 meltaguns in your squad already.

just my thoughts - otherwise i rckn it's pretty decent!

@Mizzri - Definitely what I was going for. A unique, inventive build to take to the tournament. Removing the CSM squad wouldn't probably be a bad idea. I'll experiment around a little bit.

@Wuestenfux - I really want to stay away from the dual DP, Oblit spam run-of-the-mill internet lists. At the most, I'll use one DP and the Oblits I have. I'm definitely going to try my alternatives listed above(DP and Chosen) a few times before I decide on my final army. More PMs is always a good thing, IMO, even though that follows the meta for CSM a little too closely for me.

@Haydoss - Not wanting to spam Oblits at all, at the most I'll have two groups of three, but that's pushing it for me. I'm definitely not DSing my Raptors, as they cannot take advantage of Icons. If I trim the Sorcerer, the CSM and some of the Icons, I might have enough room for the Chosen and DP as well.

I plan on having one squad of DPs starting on the field while the other group will DS, so I want to have some Icons present to take advantage of, so they can hit the field without fail.

Thanks for the comments and ideas, guys.

I find the the 5 plague marines an odd number I would take out the chaos space marines and add two more to each squad.

I'd drop the Chaos Marine squad and take a squad of Havocs with 4 Lascannons. I know its pricey but 4 Lascannons hurt and your army doesn't have that much firepower from a distance. The Meltaguns have got to get close to be able to really mess people up and I still think Obliterators are overrated for the price you pay for them.

My 2 cents

Reivax26 wrote:I'd drop the Chaos Marine squad and take a squad of Havocs with 4 Lascannons. I know its pricey but 4 Lascannons hurt and your army doesn't have that much firepower from a distance. The Meltaguns have got to get close to be able to really mess people up and I still think Obliterators are overrated for the price you pay for them.

My 2 cents

Oh wow. I'd never take 4 lascannon havocs. That costs almost as much as a land raider, with 2 twinlinked lascannons plus lots more goodies. Missile or autocannon havocs yes, lascannon? You can do better with vehicles. Even a predator annihilator would be a better deal.