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HQ
Ghaz
*KFF Mek w/K-Scorcah

ELITES
15 x Lootaz (possibly split into 2 depending on terrain)
15 x Kommandos inc. Snikrot & 2x Burnaz (n.b. - ghaz will be attached to these)

TROOPS
*19 x Boyz inc. Nob w/PK&BP
**20 x Boyz inc. Nob w/PK&BP
20 x Boyz inc. Nob w/PK&BP
5 x Nobz inc. Painboy, Waaagh Banner, PK&BP, BC, and Stock - In Trukk with Grot Riggers & Armour Plates

FAST ATTACK
Deffkopta w/TLRL & BzS
Deffkopta w/TLRL & BzS
Deffkopta w/TLRL & BzS

HEAVY SUPPORT
Battlewagon w/ Deffrolla, Grot Riggers, Armour Plates, 2 Big Shootas (carrying *)
Battlewagon w/ Deffrolla, Grot Riggers, Armour Plates, Kannon, 2 Big Shootas (carrying **)


Crit welcome :-) thanks!


1999pts!!!



So thats 3 deffkoptas, 2 battlewagons, a trukk, some footsloggers, and lootaz

Guarantee your nobz will be footslogging after the opponent's first shooting phase. It's too obvious a target.

Mixed speeds with Orks is generally a bad idea. You balkanize your own force to the advantage of the enemy, allowing him to focus on the immediate threat with all his firepower while ignoring the smaller element out of threat range. I.e. He gets to pick you apart at his leisure.

Ghaz is a monster in CC, but IMO only worth his points in a Green Tide list where you can truly take advantage of that 6" run.

So you have 2 squads in battlewagons, but then 1 footslogging? Why don't you just throw them in another battlewagon?

And I agree with Brother Taurinus. That one trukk is pretty much serving itself on a platter to anything that can aim a gun.

On another note, 3 Buzzsaws on your deffkoptas is overkill. Use 2 at max. And by doing that, you now have some would allocation. If you make them all different, they last much much longer.

And as far as my experience goes, Orks win many more games if they have a coherent army. Mixing army types is shooting yourself in the foot, because there will always be one part of your army that becomes useless.

Agreed on the 2 koptas, but run them as individuals.

If you drop Ghaz to a megaboss with cybork and maybe an AS, you're saving 100+ points. Upgrade that trukk into a battlewagon.

Honestly, small tweaks would make this into a Battlewagon rush list....mostly.

If you follow the aforementioned suggestions, consider this:

Drop 5 lootas and run them as 2 squads of 5. This, plus the Ghaz downgrade and the 3rd kopta allow you to purchase a battlewagon for the third boyz mob and upgrade the trukk to a battlewagon. You've lost very little, and gained a cohesive army with synergy=)

HI folks.

Really appreciate the thoughts & advice!

The deffkoptas are already running individually - that's why I put them up separate.

I see the logic of downgrading Ghaz now as His waaagh is just less useful (I've been playing green tide until now). If I'm not taking ghaz but still have the warboss coming on from the back do I need him to be mega armored? I guess just an AS, Cybork, and PK will do it for some rear AV hunting.

Not entirely sure about dropping lootaz (I wish I could sqeeze more in!), but I get the point about points cost.

I will drop the trukk - and for now the nobz too and get a third battlewagon for the boyz.

If I go battlewagon rush, I actually 'need' to take nobz don't I? As they can take battlewagons as dedicated transport. Where would I find the points for this? Is a 2000pt battlewagon rush doable at 2000 points if you're taking more than 3?

Totally. "Battlewagon" rush is a theme of mechanized. We all start somewhere, model wise. I started with a couple trukks, bought a battlewagon, then some bikes....scratchbuilt some batlewagons....it's a WIP=)

I often added a squadron of warbikes to flesh out the list. They're a finesse unit....place them carefuly, and pick your assaults. My lists commonly have 3 Battlewagon mobs and a squadron of 8-12 warbikes, lootas, rokkit buggies.

Do a search for "sampler platter". One of my lists should pop up for 2k. It was designed for people running BW Rush to learn which synergistic units work best for them. Or look at threads I've started...it'll be there.

Oh, yes...more than 3 battlewagons in standard games require nob or meganob squads.