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Hi, I'm thinking about pushing my Black Templar team to 1,500 points. I havent changed it much since the 1k mark as the team seemed to work well. Let me know what you think, criticism welcome.

HQ: Emperors Champion – 140
Accept any Challenge

Elites: Sword Brethren Terminators X7 - 301
5x LC, 2x TH/SS, Furious Charge

Elites: Venerable Dreadnought – 170
TLLC, ML, Extra Armor, Tank Hunter

Troops: Initiates x10 - 180
8x CCW & Bpistol
1x Melta Gun
1x PW & Bpistol
Rhino – Extra armor, Smoke - 58

Troops: Initiates x10 - 180
8x CCW & Bpistol
1x Melta Gun
1x PW & Bpistol
Rhino – Extra Armor, Smoke - 58

Fast: Land Speeder Typhoon – 70
Fast: Land Speeder Typhoon - 70

Heavy – Land Raider Crusader – 265
(terminators & Emperors Champion bunk in this)

A small note, I'm not sure if I'm actually allowed to put the EC in a LRC with Terminators,let me know if this is a problem.

What did you add to bump ur list up to 1500? Im seeing a lack or horde here, are you trying to add to your list or make a competitve one?

You are allowed to put the EC in the land raider with the terminators. For the EC, it's special rule "Always an independent character", it doesn't allow the EC to join, lead, or be attached to a command squad and fights as a independent character always.

At lower point values rolling around without a Castellan/Marshal is ok, but 1500 points onwards (especially when you have a lot of Initiates like you do) you are going to need the boost in leadership across the board. I would suggest attempting to add one in somewhere, I tend to find they do well with the EC, and keep him next to the EC at all times. When the EC and an enemy Commander get forced into base to base contact, the Castellan/Marshall is there to put the bastard down after the EC wounds (but probably does not kill) him.

Change the power weapon in the crusader squad to a fist in case they get assaulted by a dreadnought or monstrous creature. I would concur with a commander for the most part, but you need to drop an initiate to fit him in a rhino or a terminator to fit him in the lrc (ours hold 15 models/8 termies)
I would also change the termies to 3 or 4 th/ss since the champ will kll a bunch of infantry or put a dent in MCs but the claws aren't as survivable,andand the extra shields helps when you wipe a squad especially since the champ only has an invuln in melee

BTNeophyte wrote:Change the power weapon in the crusader squad to a fist in case they get assaulted by a dreadnought or monstrous creature. I would concur with a commander for the most part, but you need to drop an initiate to fit him in a rhino or a terminator to fit him in the lrc (ours hold 15 models/8 termies)
I would also change the termies to 3 or 4 th/ss since the champ will kll a bunch of infantry or put a dent in MCs but the claws aren't as survivable,andand the extra shields helps when you wipe a squad especially since the champ only has an invuln in melee

General rule of thumb when you are running termies/none termies together is that each termie is worth 2 regular marines. In this case, since he has 7 termies, he would be able to fit the EC and the Marshall. He would only be limited if he wanted to actually attempt to fit 10 Crusaders/4 Neophytes + 2 IC.

In my 2k Tourny List i dont run Marshall, at 1500 points its not nessacary to have one unless you are running a shooty list where you will need the extra LDR for Kill em All.
Your Crusader squads need a PF.
I would throw Smoke on you Dread so if you get shaken you have a better chance the next turn to shoot.
Like said b4 more TH/SS on your terminators i run all TH/SS and get rid of Furious Charge to save you some points.
IMHO i think our Landspeeder Typhoons are the best thing our army can get i would sugest running 2 2speeder squads. And maybe grab a PotMS Vindi for horde threat.

Hey, thank you for all the replies.

I was tinkering on the edge about weather to take a Marshal, I decided not to as I felt his boost to leader gak wasn't worth it over the actual fire power he'd bring to the fight. The overall cost of the marshal (gear'd up fairly decently) will probably cost similar to what the Venerable Dreadnought. To me this seems like an easy choice, but maybe I am making a big mistake.

As for the PF in my Initiate squads I can understand why they would be useful if encountered by monsterious creature/walker. However I created my team hoping that I included enough strength to cope with such situations. As to BTNeophyte's comment over the champ only having a an Invul in CC I believe is incorrect.

Oh and one final reply to Nettik189, I am building my team purely for fun. I have no intention for competitive play, not yet anyway =)