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2012/05/11 13:47:44
Subject: 35% of Americans say 1/4 in Americans are Homosexual.
This is an old poll, but I hadn't seen it before and thought it was interesting. Gallup concludes that women, those of low income, the relatively uneducated, and young people tend to report the highest incidence of homosexuality which is interesting that women and you people tend to support gay marriage, while the poor and relatively uneducated tend to oppose it.
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2012/05/11 13:54:09
Subject: 35% of Americans say 1/4 in Americans is Homosexual.
Well, the uneducated is an obvious one, and I wouldn't expect anything different from the young, because you get young of all stripes. I mean, If a kid is 16 but both his parents are Redneck Creationist gay bashers with no teeth then he will be the same right?
Well, he might have more teeth, but he will probably agree with their ridiculous views. Maybe he got home-schooled!
But I didn't expect to see birds on there... weird eh?
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2012/05/11 13:57:55
Subject: 35% of Americans say 1/4 in Americans is Homosexual.
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2012/05/11 14:08:49
Subject: 35% of Americans say 1/4 in Americans is Homosexual.
mattyrm wrote:But I didn't expect to see birds on there... weird eh?
Maybe it's because if the women aren't able to tell if a man's interested (or if he's sending signals of disinterest) they think he might be gay?
Certainly some men do the same to women.
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2012/05/11 14:27:48
Subject: Re:35% of Americans say 1/4 in Americans is Homosexual.
Amaya wrote:In other words, 35% of Americans are out of their minds...
Really weird that they perceive there to be that many homosexuals.
Its interesting because you see the 4 groups that have the strongest positions on homosexual marriage perceiving the greatest prevalence of homosexuality, with dividing line seemingly being the degree to which their comfortable with the concept. The question, then, is what makes people comfortable wit homosexuality? Is it direct exposure? The absence of traditionalism? Something else?
It would be an interesting study, and one that's probably already been done in some form or another.
Melissia wrote:Maybe it's because if the women aren't able to tell if a man's interested (or if he's sending signals of disinterest) they think he might be gay?
I think its in large part due to the varying perception of lesbian and gay relationships. Most people I know, even those that are extremely uncomfortable with the concept of gay sex (not having it per se, just its existence), are just fine with the idea of two women being intimate. This may serve to create a sort of social space in which women don't feel as great a need to reaffirm their own sexuality.
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2012/05/11 14:31:31
Subject: 35% of Americans say 1/4 in Americans are Homosexual.
I wish I was joking and pulling that out of thin air, and not paraphrasing what certain people have said.
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2012/05/11 14:33:57
Subject: 35% of Americans say 1/4 in Americans is Homosexual.
Well.. except for me obviously.. I mean.. if I bat my eyelids at a chick and she isn't as wet as October within ten seconds.. she is definitely a full blown lesbian.. probably allergic to semen, yeah thats it.. she got some on her hand once and it swelled up like a balloon?
Yeah yeah that's it.. must be.
Except for me.
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2012/05/11 14:37:37
Subject: 35% of Americans say 1/4 in Americans are Homosexual.
The McKinsey report notoriously found 10%. It has been criticised on methodology, though.
The best conducted surveys (anonymised, with a large sample) tend to find about 2-3%.
Does it really matter, in the end? Surely the ethics to be considered in a particular form of social behaviour depend on other considerations than just prevalence in the population.
There are stupid men, but men as a group are not stupid.
In truth, I think that the study was... confused about bisexuality versus homosexuality. Most of the population is to some extent bisexual, both men and women, it's just that men have cultural hangups against it that women don't have, which explains why women have different perceptions in regards to who is straight and who isn't.
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2012/05/11 14:44:20
Subject: 35% of Americans say 1/4 in Americans are Homosexual.
Kilkrazy wrote:No-one knows how many homosexuals there are.
The McKinsey report notoriously found 10%. It has been criticised on methodology, though.
The best conducted surveys (anonymised, with a large sample) tend to find about 2-3%.
Does it really matter, in the end? Surely the ethics to be considered in a particular form of social behaviour depend on other considerations than just prevalence in the population.
Yeah I heard it was one in ten.. It does matter because you can work stuff out with the equation.
Lets see.. I'm not, and Dogma isn't.. and Mel isn't a lesbian. And Prince Charles isn't.. neither is Harry or William. What's that.. 7?
Ok and er.. 50 cent isn't, and who is that bloke who does loads of shagging?..Oh Justin Timberlake, he isnt.. oh and neither is Jackie Chan.
gak! Its you KK!
Your the tenth one!! Now you have to get a divorce and start wearing ass-less chaps.
Thats how it works right?
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Melissia wrote:
mattyrm wrote:Men aren't that stupid are they?
There are stupid men, but men as a group are not stupid.
In truth, I think that the study was... confused about bisexuality versus homosexuality. Most of the population is to some extent bisexual, both men and women, it's just that men have cultural hangups against it that women don't have, which explains why women have different perceptions in regards to who is straight and who isn't.
Yeah I was taking the piss, the point is, all men have said "Bah! She must be a lesbian!" when shunned, but its to your mates and you all laugh about it. I think that 99.9% of men who have said that have been joking.
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2012/05/11 14:46:33
Subject: 35% of Americans say 1/4 in Americans are Homosexual.
You might be surprised at how much lower that number might be.
Especially given pick-up artists. Then again they are scum so that's hardly surprising.
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2012/05/11 14:46:59
Subject: Re:35% of Americans say 1/4 in Americans are Homosexual.
No, it doesn't matter, it's just funny that people actually think 25% of Americans are homosexual. Completely anecdotal, but I've only personally known 4 that I can recall off the top of my head. 3-5% is the most believable estimate imo, it's just not that common, but that doesn't mean anything from an ethical standpoint.
Similarly, it's estimated that about the same percentage of society (3-5%) is purely straight, too.
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2012/05/11 14:51:47
Subject: Re:35% of Americans say 1/4 in Americans are Homosexual.
Piston Honda wrote:Or 35% know this from being veterans playing the field.
I see what you did there...
"What else can I say... eeeeeveryone is gay."
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2012/05/11 14:55:51
Subject: 35% of Americans say 1/4 in Americans are Homosexual.
Kilkrazy wrote:No-one knows how many homosexuals there are.
The McKinsey report notoriously found 10%. It has been criticised on methodology, though.
The best conducted surveys (anonymised, with a large sample) tend to find about 2-3%.
Does it really matter, in the end? Surely the ethics to be considered in a particular form of social behaviour depend on other considerations than just prevalence in the population.
Yeah I heard it was one in ten.. It does matter because you can work stuff out with the equation.
Lets see.. I'm not, and Dogma isn't.. and Mel isn't a lesbian. And Prince Charles isn't.. neither is Harry or William. What's that.. 7?
Ok and er.. 50 cent isn't, and who is that bloke who does loads of shagging?..Oh Justin Timberlake, he isnt.. oh and neither is Jackie Chan.
gak! Its you KK!
Your the tenth one!! Now you have to get a divorce and start wearing ass-less chaps.
Thats how it works right?
Too much work. The Government should just step forward and solve this once and for all. Line up every citizen in a straight line and have every 10th person stand forward and make that person be gay. And if you really are gay but not one of the 10th People, Oh well you're straight now.
2012/05/11 14:56:39
Subject: 35% of Americans say 1/4 in Americans are Homosexual.
Melissia wrote:Similarly, it's estimated that about the same percentage of society (3-5%) is purely straight, too.
Surely not!? Do you mean as in "not averse to some gay sex if the right guy comes along"
I mean, I'm as gay friendly as you can get, and I can look at a bloke who is in dead good shape and ruggedly handsome maybe and say "He is an attractive man" but I certainly don't feel an urge to shag a bloke! Or even kiss or hug one.. gak, I haven't hugged my Dad or my brother since I was 5 and I'm 32!
And past the age of 25, I think most men are comfortable about being honest about these things.. but seriously.. I would be stunned to find that the vast majority of people are a bit gay and would be happy to have a sexual experience with a person of the same sex if it wasn't for "society"
I mean, seriously most people in the UK have no problem at all with gay people, so I cant see society and culture affecting my decision or colouring my perception, I just really really would find the idea of sex with a man disgusting.
Or did you mean "would be willing if they had to"
In which case 3-5% would be right. You know, like the extreme homophobes would say no, but 95% of men would probably be happy getting lubed up and spending the night with Elton John for a couple million bucks or something.
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2012/05/11 14:59:49
Subject: 35% of Americans say 1/4 in Americans are Homosexual.
mattyrm wrote:Do you mean as in "not averse to some gay sex if the right guy comes along"
This, yes.
Keep in mind I'm speaking from a purely biological standpoint. Our culture enforces heterosexuality, especially for men, so many people who would otherwise consider themselves bisexual fear that they have to preserve their "manliness" (or femininity) and declare "I'm straight, by the way".
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2012/05/11 15:04:22
Subject: 35% of Americans say 1/4 in Americans are Homosexual.
mattyrm wrote:Do you mean as in "not averse to some gay sex if the right guy comes along"
This, yes.
Keep in mind I'm speaking from a purely biological standpoint. Our culture enforces heterosexuality, especially for men, so many people who would otherwise consider themselves bisexual fear that they have to preserve their "manliness" (or femininity) and declare "I'm straight, by the way".
Bah! I'm not buying that Mel.. No way. Straight men just don't feel an urge to shag men, I don't think our culture enforces it, I feel an urge to stare at women in short skirts, the urge just isnt there with a buff man in a vest, and ive seen a few million.
I think the majority of people are straight, some are gay.. and a smaller percentage are truly bi-sexual, but I certainly cant see that many people being willing to bang a dude, society be damned.
I mean, ive got standards me. I would suck baby gravy out of Liberace's rear aperture for 5 million bucks, but you know... who wouldn't!?
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2012/05/11 15:06:18
Subject: 35% of Americans say 1/4 in Americans are Homosexual.
mattyrm wrote:Do you mean as in "not averse to some gay sex if the right guy comes along"
This, yes.
Keep in mind I'm speaking from a purely biological standpoint. Our culture enforces heterosexuality, especially for men, so many people who would otherwise consider themselves bisexual fear that they have to preserve their "manliness" (or femininity) and declare "I'm straight, by the way".
Whilst there is truth to this, I think your percentages are a little off whack, at least the way you're describing it. More that 3-5% of the population isn't actively repressing latent bisexuality in order to preserve their masculine image. I think it's more the case that, had they been raised in a different society, they may have been more amenable to sexual encounters with the same gender. So, rather than them secretly being interested but repressing it, it's more that the desire is so far buried in the subconcious as to be negligable.
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2012/05/11 15:10:30
Subject: 35% of Americans say 1/4 in Americans are Homosexual.
mattyrm wrote:Bah! I'm not buying that Mel. No way. Straight men just don't feel an urge to shag men
Maybe. But that doesn't mean that they couldn't if the right man came along.
I mean hell, just look at how many otherwise straight men turn to gay sex in prison to get off.
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2012/05/11 15:11:32
Subject: 35% of Americans say 1/4 in Americans are Homosexual.
mattyrm wrote:Do you mean as in "not averse to some gay sex if the right guy comes along"
This, yes.
Keep in mind I'm speaking from a purely biological standpoint. Our culture enforces heterosexuality, especially for men, so many people who would otherwise consider themselves bisexual fear that they have to preserve their "manliness" (or femininity) and declare "I'm straight, by the way".
2012/05/11 15:18:22
Subject: 35% of Americans say 1/4 in Americans are Homosexual.
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