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Hi Dakka,

To recap, my 6 year old needs an army that is more forgiving for him to play (he picked Tau because they looked cool).

I started a thread on getting a 1500pt GK and got great advice to try a DraigoWing army, Grey Templar said

"2-3 boxes of Terminators, Draigo, and either some Rifleman Dreadnoughts or Dreadknights will complete the army."

So I have been doing some research on the DraigoWing and a recurring theme is that the army doesn't work well at less than 1500pt ( but is certainly what we want to do at 1500pts). I've been looking around and it appears that the terminator boxes can be assembled in a variety of ways. I haven't splashed out and bought a codex yet (A$55!!) so I was hoping Dakka could give me some advice on:

a) What to build out of the boxes (not the options, but the main model) above to give a reasonable army at both 1000pt or 1500pt (with a DraigoWing theme at 1500pt); or
b) What else i need to buy to give the flexibility to get reasonable lists at 1000 and 1500pts (given a 1500pt draigowing with 2 rifleman dreads).

Thanks in advance!

My tips if you are going with 2-3 boxes of terminators is to buy some magnets (you can find them really cheap online).
With the magnets you can make it so that you can change all gear of your terminators and never need to worry about the fact that you need to buy new (or not play with wysiwyg) if you ever want to try some different gear.
Takes some extra work but it really pays of in the end.


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Oh and you can make Draigo out of a normal terminator, Just add a shield and "pimp" him out a bit and he be as good as the offical model, only a lot cheaper.

salix_fatuus wrote:My tips if you are going with 2-3 boxes of terminators is to buy some magnets (you can find them really cheap online).
With the magnets you can make it so that you can change all gear of your terminators and never need to worry about the fact that you need to buy new (or not play with wysiwyg) if you ever want to try some different gear.
Takes some extra work but it really pays of in the end.

Oh and you can make Draigo out of a normal terminator, Just add a shield and "pimp" him out a bit and he be as good as the offical model, only a lot cheaper.

great tip, thanks!

Any comment on what would be needed to make a viable 1000pt list from the above?

I like the magnetizing idea, but it'll be a lot of work to do if you want to magnetize the models. I've magnetized about 55 Assault Marines and its not easy, but definitely worth it.

What do you mean by a Viable 1000 pt list? Do you want your son to play something competitive or something he just enjoys?

Sorry, that wasn't clear,

The draigowing list fits the bill at 1500...small number of models, tough to table if you make tactical noob mistakes. However, from inter web reports, its hard to make a draigo list at below 1500.

So, as some of the games we play at home are 1000 (or even 500) what do I need to buy/how do I need to build the models so that he has an even chance of being competitive in friendly games at 1000, or 500pts? I'd rather reuse the models (magnets may be the answer) that are needed for the Draigo list but appreciate that may not be possible.

His brothers don't cut him any slack so he is routinely getting tabled with the Tau at the moment.


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Sorry should have added that opponents are Nids and vanilla SM (assault focussed), as well as Necron .

You can still do the Draigo List at 1000.

Run:

Draigo
1 Unit of 5 Paladins 2 Psycannons/3 Storm Bolters, 3 Halberds/1 Demonhammer/ 1 Force Sword.
1 Unit of 5 Paladins 2 Psycannons/3 Storm Bolters, 3 Halberds/1 Demonhammer/ 1 Force Sword.

Inquisitor with 6 Psyker henchmen, 2 Acolytes with bolters.

1000 points.

Not a bad list at 1000, and will kill a lot of things just with shooting.

I've currently fully magnetized 20 GK Purifiers and 10 GK termies and I can give few pointers.

1) Terminators are lot easier to magnetize. For most of the squad members, you only need magnetize the right wrist for choosing what Nemesis weapon to use. I used 2 mm magnets for most part and 3 mm magnet for Brotherhood banner.

2) If you magnetize backpacks for changing between Strikes and Interceptors, use large magnets. 3mm at least.

3) There are only enough shouldpads for 6 pairs of arms for Strikes. This means you either have to 1) buy more shoulderpads as bitz b) magnetize both wrists and arms. I did the latter. Used 2mm for wrists and 3 mm for arms.

Drilling the plastic is easy, just buy a pin vice and get good drill bits. It's definitely worth the money to spend ~2-3 euros good HSS drill bits cost for the 2 mm and 3mm bits.

How much time does it take? It depends, but for me currently, ~15 minutes for 5 man terminator squad.
When I started, it took double or triple that time. For Purifiers, lot longer.

Thanks. I'd appreciate your thoughts on whether I need anything more than the boxes I specified earlier?

For starters, no. not really.
3 Boxes of terminators is enough to give you 10 paladins and few soladins (1 man paladin unit). You can either buy Draigo or convert him from paladin.
You'll have to convert one psilencer to psycannon or buy one from biz store as Terminator box only comes with 1.

Many people think that Venerable Dreadnought is better lookin kit than normal Dreadnought and gives more options.

Dual TL-AC arms for dreadnoughts can be converted easily from Aegis Line defence kits (you get enough for single dread from one kit) or bought from Forgeworld.

I guess you could consider taking 5 man strike interceptor squad for 1500 points, giving you:
Draigo
10 man paladin squad (4x psycannons, fully kitted out except for Apothecary)
2 soladins (1-man paladin unit)
5 man interceptor squad w/psycannon and MC hammer
2x Psyfleman

Fitting dreadnoughts into 1000 points can be bit hard, it might be better to just go for the
Draigo, 10x Paladins (fully kitted), 1x Soladin
but I guess you could do something like:
Draigo, 5x paladins, 2x soladin, 2x psyfleman.

Reason why draigowing doesn't do well in 1k has lot to do with it's low unit count for objective games. Same reason it's extremely hard to beat in KP games.

As for how to build paladins: You don't actually have to magnetize all arms. Basically for any 5 man squad you want to have 1 Sword, 1 Halberd and 1 Hammer as a starting point anyway.
Falchions are a trap, don't take them.

Good advice, thanks!