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So I'm going to be fighting alongside Imperial Guard against Iron Warriors and Orks.
This is what I was thinking of using:
Farseer: Doom, Guide, Spirit Stones and Runes of witnessing
Avatar of Khaine

5 Wraithguard w/Warlock w/conceal in TL Brightlanced Wave Serpent

10 Dire Avengers w/ Exarch w/ Power Weapon and Shimmershield
10 Guardians w/ Warlock w/conceal and Shuriken Cannon
5 Rangers
3 Jetbikes

7 Swooping Hawks w/ Exarch w/ Sunrifle and Skyleap

Falcon w/ scatter laser
Either the Fire Prism or a Night Spinner

Any ideas? This is around 1500pts.
Thanks!
T-

take more jetbikes they are better to this type of enemy and taste wraithlord another is okay

Unfortunately I don't have anymore jetbikes.

Anyone else have anything?
Thanks!
T-

Runes of warding on your farseer. Unlikely you will see a weirdboy, but a demon prince could be bad news. You also might want fortune to keep the avatar alive.

Should not need TL lances, only AV14 you would see is battlewagon front armor or a land raider. You have plenty of other means to deal with that. Drop those down to save some points.

Add a singing spear to the warlock with the wraithguard.

IG will have plenty of troops for objective taking. Probably wont need rangers. They cant pin large squads of boys, and will only kill a couple of marines a turn.

The addition Runes shouldn't be a problem, just in case haha

Unfortunately I received the Wave Serpent preassembled, so it sorta has TL Bright Lances, I could just say "counts as", and recommendations as to what instead? EML's? Starcannons?

I can drop the Rangers, probably upgrade some holofields or something.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks
T-


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So it'd be like:

Farseer: guide, fortune, Runes of Witnessing, Runes of Warding, Spirit Stones[user]
Avatar of Khaine

X5 Wraithguard with Warlock w/ Singing Spear and Conceal in a Wave Serpent.

X10 Dire Avengers, Exarch w/ Power Weapon and Shimmershield
X10 Guardians, Warlock w/Conceal and EML
X3 Jetbikes

X7 Swooping Hawks, Exarch w/ Sunrifle and Skyleap.

Falcon with Scatterlaser
Fire Prism or Night Spinner

Either scatters or cannons on your serpent. Keep the guardians with a cannon or scatter. S6 is just fine, and at BS3 you want all the shots you can get.

Holofields are awesome, so take those for sure. Dont run a single fire prism, just take a nightspinner.

So does that sound decent then, that list I threw up there? I figure it needs tweaked a little for points.
Any other ideas?
Thanks
T-

Wraithlords are never worth their points in 5 squads. Take Firedragons instead. They are cheaper and stronger..
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Something i just love are the following:

Farseer with the rune/runes, a singing spear and Guide.
5 Avengers
in a:
Falcon, holofields, sprit stones and Scatterlaser.

Thats Flexability!
The farseer pretty much guide the falcons poor BS 3 And could work as a guard for the tank, if any vehicles gets nearby with the singing spear.

The Avengers make the falcon scoring (making it able to hold objectives) And could protect it from infantry (if nessesary).

The falcon itself is staying back (out of CC fighting) holding an objective while giving good firesupport for the rest of your army.

(the pulsecannon/lance (or whatever it's called, forgot the name) will provide a good anti tank weapon.

The Scatter laser and the Pulsecannon (?) vill provide a good anti vehicle/anti big monster weapon.

and the scatter laser will be providing a great horde killer.

The falcon is a fast versible tank, and the weapons can be changed depending on what army you face.

As i said. FLEXABILITY!

Pardon my horrible spelling and grammar, but i am very tired. Goodnight!

While I agree that Fire Dragons are good at anti-tank, and are cheaper in points than Wraithguard, I don't believe they're stronger necessarily. Wraithguard have higher strength and double the toughness, they also get a better save. I also don't need to be within 6" of an enemy vehicle to get a bonus from the wraithcannons. Speaking of Wraithcannons, they also wound on a 2+, even though they're AP2 instead of AP1, they have auto glances and auto penetrating hits per your roll, rather than hoping you roll 6's to blow up AV 13 or 14.

Also, I don't have any Dragons, haha

Anyhing else?
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I notice the main focus of a squad of Fire Dragons is to get loaded into a Wave Serpent, aimed at the nearest big tank or MC, and then shot or assaulted off the table the following turn. Wraithguard have more survivability with their better save and Toughness, plus they're not too shabby in assault with a WS4 andS5


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And you can add a Singing Spear to the Warlock to throw in a S9 weapon against vehicles or a Wounds on 2+ weapon to help in combat


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Any other Eldar players care to comment?

Thanks!
T-

Trogdor the Burninator wrote:While I agree that Fire Dragons are good at anti-tank, and are cheaper in points than Wraithguard, I don't believe they're stronger necessarily. Wraithguard have higher strength and double the toughness, they also get a better save. I also don't need to be within 6" of an enemy vehicle to get a bonus from the wraithcannons. Speaking of Wraithcannons, they also wound on a 2+, even though they're AP2 instead of AP1, they have auto glances and auto penetrating hits per your roll, rather than hoping you roll 6's to blow up AV 13 or 14.

5 Wraithguards with a warlock costs around 200pts. 10 firedragons costs 160pts.

The Wraithguards wounds everything on 2+. Sure thats great, but with the dragons str 8 there aint much in the orc and chaos space marine army that stand a chanse against str 8 anyway (exept a deamon prince/greater deamon maybe). Against vehicles the dragons are way more superior. str 8 on 12" and str 8 with 2 dice on 6". and also +1 on the vehicle damage table for being AP1. Also, the dragons will be firing 10 shots, while the wraithguards will be firing five and still be around 40pts cheaper.

Sure the Wraithguards can take alot more dmg with their high T and Save. but still, a space marine can kill 2 of them with 2 well placed bolter shots in a single round. Just a +3, a +5 and you failing a 3+ save. And u'll feel those 200pts pretty silly spent. They can easily be owerwhelmed by alot of fire (or a few highly powered shots). Wraithguards are better used in 10 squads by foot in bigger games, trust me.

And about their higher STR, are you planning on using them in close combat. Otherwise then that, STR is pretty useless. And trust me, they do really suck in CC with their 1 attack each.

"hits per your roll, rather than hoping you roll 6's to blow up AV 13 or 14"
A fusiongun gets 2 dice rolls on 6". and with the WS escort they get within 6 inch most of the time.




Also, I don't have any Dragons, haha

Shame, they are a really important unit in any eldar army.

Anyhing else?

Will the rangers be on foot? Will the Farseer be on foot?

A Fireprism is alot more flexible then a nightspinner. Nightspinner is better against Nids tbh.
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I notice the main focus of a squad of Fire Dragons is to get loaded into a Wave Serpent, aimed at the nearest big tank or MC, and then shot or assaulted off the table the following turn. Wraithguard have more survivability with their better save and Toughness, plus they're not too shabby in assault with a WS4 andS5

wraithguards are very shabby in assault with 1 attack each. The thing is, The firedragons wont survive the following turn prolly. Soo you you load 5 firedragons in a serpent. (80pts right?) and fly the next to a high valued tank (Land raider, predator, some big orcy tank) and obligerate it with 5 melta shots (nothing survives that). and then let them die next round. If they surive, good for you, jump in again and pick your next target.

If 5 wraithguards do the same tactic, they will die to, it will just cost you 120pts more and you will have a lesser chance of killing your target..


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And you can add a Singing Spear to the Warlock to throw in a S9 weapon against vehicles or a Wounds on 2+ weapon to help in combat

sure thats great. Just remember that you lose 1 attack in CC then for using 2 handed weapon


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Any other Eldar players care to comment?

Thanks!
T-