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Hi Dakka,

So I've just started 40k and there are some comments I've seen in battle reports which are confusing - I must be missing something. I often see references to the Fearless rule and additional wounds to be allocated - except in the BRB I can't see anything about additional wounds. All it says is that Fearless units never fail morale/pinning tests. I know that the SM have a rule "No retreat" or something that does create additional wounds, but not sure how this relates to the Scarabs?

What am I missing?

MarkCron wrote:I know that the SM have a rule "No retreat" or something that does create additional wounds, but not sure how this relates to the Scarabs?

What am I missing?

No Retreat! is a general rule that relates to Fearless units. SM units take No Retreat! wounds instead of getting run down after a Sweeping Advance.

fearless units that lose assaults take wounds equal to the number of wounds they lost combat by.

So If your opponent fails 1 save and you fail 3 saves, your fearless unit takes 2 wounds to represent that they just got beat in combat, and instead of turning and running they stand their ground recieving more damage.

MarkCron wrote:"No retreat"

This is the rule you're looking for. It's not Space Marine specific, it applies to all Fearless units and Space Marines caught in a sweeping advance.

BarBoBot wrote:fearless units that lose assaults take wounds equal to the number of wounds they lost combat by.

So If your opponent fails 1 save and you fail 3 saves, your fearless unit takes 2 wounds to represent that they just got beat in combat, and instead of turning and running they stand their ground recieving more damage.

Yep, that's what I read on the web. But where is that written? I can't find it

MarkCron wrote:

BarBoBot wrote:fearless units that lose assaults take wounds equal to the number of wounds they lost combat by.

So If your opponent fails 1 save and you fail 3 saves, your fearless unit takes 2 wounds to represent that they just got beat in combat, and instead of turning and running they stand their ground recieving more damage.

Yep, that's what I read on the web. But where is that written? I can't find it

It's in the Morale section. Don't recall the page number off hand.

MarkCron wrote:Yep, that's what I read on the web. But where is that written? I can't find it

First sentence of the 'No Retreat' rule
Page 44, the bit in brackets.

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ToBeWilly wrote:

MarkCron wrote:

BarBoBot wrote:fearless units that lose assaults take wounds equal to the number of wounds they lost combat by.

So If your opponent fails 1 save and you fail 3 saves, your fearless unit takes 2 wounds to represent that they just got beat in combat, and instead of turning and running they stand their ground recieving more damage.

Yep, that's what I read on the web. But where is that written? I can't find it

It's in the Morale section. Don't recall the page number off hand.

This.


A reference in the USR section might have been helpful GW.

[edit to remove extraordinarily dumb statement I made ]

MarkCron wrote:

Nungunz wrote:

MarkCron wrote:"No retreat"

This is the rule you're looking for. It's not Space Marine specific, it applies to all Fearless units and Space Marines caught in a sweeping advance.

ok, but i have the rule book that came with Black Reach (the small one) and No Retreat is not in the USR section. So, unless I actually have the space marine codex, how would I know that rule applied ? Sheesh, what other rules are generally applied that are in codexes I don't have?

You're misunderstanding.

No Retreat! is a rule in the BRB. And They Shall Know No Fear is the ability SMs have that references No Retreat!.

Yes.... I edited to remove my dumb statement.

Apparently not fast enough.

Next time I will check in the Units section for the rule that says I can't disembark from a vehicle moving flat out.

BEFORE asking Dakka!

Thanks anyway

MarkCron wrote:

Nungunz wrote:

MarkCron wrote:"No retreat"

This is the rule you're looking for. It's not Space Marine specific, it applies to all Fearless units and Space Marines caught in a sweeping advance.

ok, but i have the rule book that came with Black Reach (the small one) and No Retreat is not in the USR section. So, unless I actually have the space marine codex, how would I know that rule applied ? Sheesh, what other rules are generally applied that are in codexes I don't have?


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ToBeWilly wrote:

MarkCron wrote:

BarBoBot wrote:fearless units that lose assaults take wounds equal to the number of wounds they lost combat by.

So If your opponent fails 1 save and you fail 3 saves, your fearless unit takes 2 wounds to represent that they just got beat in combat, and instead of turning and running they stand their ground recieving more damage.

Yep, that's what I read on the web. But where is that written? I can't find it

It's in the Morale section. Don't recall the page number off hand.

This.

A reference in the USR section might have been helpful GW.

It's in the main rule book, and the mini rule book. It is NOT a USR. It is in the Close combat section Morale.

For future reference, it is also present in the index of the BRB, unsure about the small one but I assume that has an index too, so I don't see why it wouldn't be there either.

Indexes are for life, not just for Christmas and that time where you discover it whilst reading your RB on the porcelain throne.

Agree. But, pray tell, if you don't know that the rule is called No Retreat and the Fearless USR doesn't reference it, how are you supposed to find it in the index?

MarkCron wrote:Agree. But, pray tell, if you don't know that the rule is called No Retreat and the Fearless USR doesn't reference it, how are you supposed to find it in the index?

Well, reading through the rules a couple times you would've seen the No Retreat! rules in the assault resolution section

The index is for reference, they expect that you will have actually read the rules section thouroughly first.