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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/04 14:44:44
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
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im interested in a set of molds, or just molded product.
are the wall sections the same size as double CoD wall sections?
can you PM me about possible commission pricing if your willing to do that?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/05 11:13:50
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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DijnsK wrote:im interested in a set of molds, or just molded product.
are the wall sections the same size as double CoD wall sections?
can you PM me about possible commission pricing if your willing to do that?
I am of course open to commision work, if anyone is interested in hiring me! I calculated a sentry tower built with these pieces, in resin (three storeys high plus terrace, nearly 25cm high, a plan size of nearly 13*13cm -about 1.5 times as big as a Games Workshop Bastion, if I'm not wrong-) would be prized of about... 28€ plus shipping?
I am oppen to any suggestions and/or commision work anyone wants me to do for them, of course.
I'd bet these are bigger than the standard CoD wall sections, but I have never had any of those in my hands yet. Here you can see all the original pieces against a background where each square represents a square centimeter. Therefore, the moulds are quite expensive, because the sheer ammount of silicon required. That's the phase I am now in, getting about 170€ to buy enough silicon for the moulds to be made.
It looks way better as a black and white photo, since everything looks like if it was made of the same material.
mxwllmdr wrote:I am certainly interested in a set of molds for those....
You would be able to get about five/six towers worth of pieces (wich would make a HUGE multi-leveled building) for the money I would need to create any moulds (and then, you would still need to get the resin to build your own towers with these moulds) so I am not sure that would be really wise.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/05 12:29:39
Subject: Re:2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Posts with Authority
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Due to my work on my Ordinatus, I happen to have CoD pieces handy!
The wall sections are two inches wide, three inches tall. The floor squares are 2"x2".
(In Metric, roughly 5cm wide x 7.5cm high, floor sections 2.5cm x 2.5cm)
Hope this helps!
--B.
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Falling down is the same as being hit by a planet — "I paint to the 20 foot rule, it saves a lot of time." -- Me
ddogwood wrote:People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/05 14:48:23
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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Not really sure that your definition of really wise is something that I would ever apply to my mindset but why don't you shoot me a PM with the amount and let me decide.....
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You are waaaaay beyond crazy my friend -DSteingass
Yes, everything that changes the entire fething world is overrated..... - DSteingass
...yep... some of the dakka chaps here sure made the joints of my jaw quite loose..Viktor Von Domm
...they put Space Marines in tin cans and drop them from orbit, I don't think fuel consumption or aerodynamics is a concern - DSteingass
I think once again my motormouth has brought me into deep... - Viktor Von Domm
he knows no pain...nor fear, he is a riveteer - Viktor Von Domm
We don't do generic, mainstream, normal, or anything of the sort! ^^ - Shrike
You build fething Titans Henry Ford style Max!! - DSteingass
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/05 15:00:04
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
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the price is really good, although the size of this might be a little too big for my. ill measure up some stuff (and make comparisons) to see if it will fit in.
im keeping the commission work in mind!!! some CoD sized panels with custom stuff in there will be horrifically awesome!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/06 09:17:16
Subject: Re:2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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im just eyeballing it but it seems the sections i marked in red are about the same hight as a CoD piece, and about twice the width.
if i where to hire you for some custom sections, i would really like CoD sized pieces, gothic looking with Blood Raven iconology on them
although i cant really find the correct size...
GW is making it hard to make stuff yourself so they're making it so you wont get a nice round size in inches or cm.
i believe its like 4.7cm wide and 7.9 cm high.
ill see if i can get digital measurements
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/06 10:10:14
Subject: Re:2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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mxwllmdr wrote:Not really sure that your definition of really wise is something that I would ever apply to my mindset but why don't you shoot me a PM with the amount and let me decide.....
Regarding selling these, I want to make some tests first, to see if the air flows well on the moulds of some of the more complex pieces, or if I would end with lots of huge bubbles in the windowed pieces because air would not flow through the smallest void areas of the mould.
DijnsK wrote:im just eyeballing it but it seems the sections i marked in red are about the same hight as a CoD piece, and about twice the width.
if i where to hire you for some custom sections, i would really like CoD sized pieces, gothic looking with Blood Raven iconology on them
although i cant really find the correct size...
GW is making it hard to make stuff yourself so they're making it so you wont get a nice round size in inches or cm.
i believe its like 4.7cm wide and 7.9 cm high.
ill see if i can get digital measurements
Yes, according to the measurements given, the "short" pieces are roughly like two Cities of Death panels side by side, while the "tall" pieces are like two of these pieces one on top of another (four panels) The main difference of this system regarding Cities of Death Scenery is these pieces rely on a wide "pillar" piece to link them, which makes each segment a bit wider.
If you can get the correct sizes, (which I am sure will be the same as Briancj) we could talk about a set of these, that's for sure.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/06 13:29:17
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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well nothing against Briancj but his measurements are off by a couple mm (metric). ill see if i can get a digital micrometer and get some good measurements
idk what you mean with a wide pillar? each segment does have a 4 - 6 mm bar on the side if thats what you mean.
this doesnt have to be a problem though. each kit comes with 2 extra bars or it can be measured out and put onto the wall segments.
i did some plasticard walls to get some extra panels and without the bar (i glued that to it later) it was like 42mm wide and 7.9mm high. and as long as its not too thick the thickness of the sections dont matter much.
i tried to add some placticard to represent some of the arches you did on your guard tower walls but i couldnt settle on them so i decided not to do those  my plasticard walls pale in comparison to your sculpting!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/06 13:34:32
Subject: Re:2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Posts with Authority
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That's because I couldn't find my #@*)#@) metric tape measure, so I did a rough conversion. Please, feel free to give accurate metric measurements!
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Falling down is the same as being hit by a planet — "I paint to the 20 foot rule, it saves a lot of time." -- Me
ddogwood wrote:People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/06 14:06:36
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
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hehe well my ruler has both an inches and a metric side and i dont get nice round measurements on either one of them
darn you GW for making this harder then its already is!!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/06 14:36:34
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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GW does what it does to protect their bottom line. I don't blame them but eventually the ingenuity of the average gamer wins out.
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You are waaaaay beyond crazy my friend -DSteingass
Yes, everything that changes the entire fething world is overrated..... - DSteingass
...yep... some of the dakka chaps here sure made the joints of my jaw quite loose..Viktor Von Domm
...they put Space Marines in tin cans and drop them from orbit, I don't think fuel consumption or aerodynamics is a concern - DSteingass
I think once again my motormouth has brought me into deep... - Viktor Von Domm
he knows no pain...nor fear, he is a riveteer - Viktor Von Domm
We don't do generic, mainstream, normal, or anything of the sort! ^^ - Shrike
You build fething Titans Henry Ford style Max!! - DSteingass
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/06 14:49:53
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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epic...its all i got for this
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/02 07:05:40
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Sorry for the lack of updates, but real life has been quite time consuming lately. Fortunately, these problems seem to have been solved now, and I shall have some free time on my evenings (I even managed to start painting a miniature from a Space Marine Assault Squad I had laying around, waiting to get painted and assembled since last summer -You know my stance. If it's not painted, I won't put it on the gaming table-)
I figured out I hadn't enough Lego pieces to build frames for the mould creation process (specially if I want to pour the silicon in bulk) so I decided to build some wodden frames. Since I have 10 different sized moulds, I made 10 different sized frames, using nails and contact glue.
Most of these frames will be used to make up to 3 different moulds, for 3 different pieces.
I should have about... 22 moulds to do off these 10 wodden frames.
I should buy silicon and start pouring it in a week or so, tops. Or at least, that's what I hope to do.
On a sidenote, I have heard Monstruous Creatures are getting a big buff in Warhammer 40k sixth Edition! And by having access to allies, I might be able to add one of them to my Space Marine army!
Therefore, I got a Monstruous Creature! Meet Tyrion, a Monstruous Creature we rescued from a car tyre some days ago. He seems to have been produced only 1 month ago. (Hands provided by my wife for size comparison)
Although I have heard I would get more benefits if I had invested into a winged monstruous creature... Bah, what's done is done xD
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/02 13:57:00
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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WOOT!!!!!!!!!!!
Bout time, dude. I understand about the RL interference, we all have to deal with it. Sometimes I swear that if the job didn't support the hobby I would just quit.....
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You are waaaaay beyond crazy my friend -DSteingass
Yes, everything that changes the entire fething world is overrated..... - DSteingass
...yep... some of the dakka chaps here sure made the joints of my jaw quite loose..Viktor Von Domm
...they put Space Marines in tin cans and drop them from orbit, I don't think fuel consumption or aerodynamics is a concern - DSteingass
I think once again my motormouth has brought me into deep... - Viktor Von Domm
he knows no pain...nor fear, he is a riveteer - Viktor Von Domm
We don't do generic, mainstream, normal, or anything of the sort! ^^ - Shrike
You build fething Titans Henry Ford style Max!! - DSteingass
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/02 13:58:51
Subject: Re:2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Posts with Authority
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Thank you for rescuing the feline. You have put yourself above the mass of humanity.  Don't forget to take your new MC to the vet!
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Falling down is the same as being hit by a planet — "I paint to the 20 foot rule, it saves a lot of time." -- Me
ddogwood wrote:People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/03 22:03:20
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Shroomin Brain Boy
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so i assume it was a cat....
pic got deleted...
and those mouldframes look good....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/04 03:23:53
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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^ and the infection spreads
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"Don't worry, Vik! You have all of your internet friends to keep you company! And, as everyone knows, internet friends are at least one step above imaginary friends "-Rawson
"Does an Ork shiiiit green?" "...Rogue! -you rock!" "Damn you too Rogue!""[TTFN]... That means tittyfething right?""Yep, that's me, a two-dollar whore"-Dsteingass
"... but if we all fail together we can make it look like we´ve won actually.." "...to all killers out there...: my face will hit your fist so hard it´s gonna bleed...your fist that is...""lol....OMG... you are a serial""he knows no pain...nor fear^^ he is a riveteer""yep... some of the dakka chaps here sure made the joints of my jaw quite loose...""er... emailsex... now that at least sounds like the perfect safer sex... but i like mine a bit more...wet""do you know what they call a quarter pounder of a buckte full of rivets in france?" "No...what?" "Rivitz royal"-Viktor von Domm
" I expected to hear gak like that from RW, not you Vik... for shame Sir, for shame"-AnUnearthlyChilde
"We are Vik's private collection of muses for the monkey on his back.....""you, guys are worse than my children......"-mxwllmdr
"Singling one out as odd in a =][_= thread is like going into an asylum, pointing at someone at random and saying "that person's insane""-Shrike |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/05 19:02:57
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Regular Dakkanaut
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yes, it was a lovely cat!
Well, today I drove one hour to get to the shop where I could buy silicon and resin for the moulds. Guess what my face looked like when I found it closed.
Apparently, this month they do not open the store during the evening. It's only open on mornings. And I must attend AutoCad lessons every morning, two hours away, for six more months.
I don't need to say I was NOT happy.
I will try to get someone to buy for me the eight Kilograms of Silicon needed for this proyect, but a slight delay on my schedule is unavoidable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/05 19:42:10
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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You should just call them and arrange it to be shipped to your house. Or better yet, call before you make the drive
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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/05 22:49:36
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Shroomin Brain Boy
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life is full of things like these miserable happenings... darn...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/06 02:56:19
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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Yeah i got a two hour drive to the "local" hobby shop where I am too. That is why I call or go online prior to driving down.....
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You are waaaaay beyond crazy my friend -DSteingass
Yes, everything that changes the entire fething world is overrated..... - DSteingass
...yep... some of the dakka chaps here sure made the joints of my jaw quite loose..Viktor Von Domm
...they put Space Marines in tin cans and drop them from orbit, I don't think fuel consumption or aerodynamics is a concern - DSteingass
I think once again my motormouth has brought me into deep... - Viktor Von Domm
he knows no pain...nor fear, he is a riveteer - Viktor Von Domm
We don't do generic, mainstream, normal, or anything of the sort! ^^ - Shrike
You build fething Titans Henry Ford style Max!! - DSteingass
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/06 03:00:40
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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^ that sounds horrible! im 15min from GW, 45 from "hobby"shop
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"Don't worry, Vik! You have all of your internet friends to keep you company! And, as everyone knows, internet friends are at least one step above imaginary friends "-Rawson
"Does an Ork shiiiit green?" "...Rogue! -you rock!" "Damn you too Rogue!""[TTFN]... That means tittyfething right?""Yep, that's me, a two-dollar whore"-Dsteingass
"... but if we all fail together we can make it look like we´ve won actually.." "...to all killers out there...: my face will hit your fist so hard it´s gonna bleed...your fist that is...""lol....OMG... you are a serial""he knows no pain...nor fear^^ he is a riveteer""yep... some of the dakka chaps here sure made the joints of my jaw quite loose...""er... emailsex... now that at least sounds like the perfect safer sex... but i like mine a bit more...wet""do you know what they call a quarter pounder of a buckte full of rivets in france?" "No...what?" "Rivitz royal"-Viktor von Domm
" I expected to hear gak like that from RW, not you Vik... for shame Sir, for shame"-AnUnearthlyChilde
"We are Vik's private collection of muses for the monkey on his back.....""you, guys are worse than my children......"-mxwllmdr
"Singling one out as odd in a =][_= thread is like going into an asylum, pointing at someone at random and saying "that person's insane""-Shrike |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/09 07:33:41
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I have finally made some arrangements for resin to be delivered to me by friday. This week seems to be going to become a rather busy week, and I am leaving for Germany in two weeks (I'll be staying there for another week or so), so I am in quite a difficult spot right now. I would have loved to be able to start casting during the last week so I would have much less pressure.
Well, nothing comes out as we expected. Ever. So if life gives you lemons, make lemonade. In this case, if life gives me time, I make more tower pieces.
Since sixth edition warhammer 40k allows the use of bastions on regular games as part of your armylist, I thought I could make some small conversion piece to turn my tower into a bastion (or a bastion and a half, as it's larger than the GW kit). The only thing it was lacking was weaponry, so I built a gun in a heavy bolter style to fit in the window areas of some pieces.
I also built a small "control panel" addition to block the other side of the window where the gun is located, allowing it to be manned. Please, note the control panel should be on the other side of the wall, behind the gun.
Since there is no way of placing the gun in the middle of the way section, I thought about gluing two of these guns side by side in the two central windows of the wall section. Maybe have them serve as a BS1, twin linked heavy bolter instead of a BS2 heavy bolter?
And since I have always wanted to develop a system fully capable of forming a modular table on its own, I have been building some road and ground floor pieces. The ground floor pieces will work as walkways around the buildings as well, being sightly higher than the road pieces. The column pieces will fit on the ground floor pieces as well, to make assembly easier.
And finally, I started building some propper stairs. I was really looking forward to them, since I feel going up and down floors by hatches could get old quickly in a cool looking table. And I am quite fond of the work in progress stairs I started to build.
Unfortunately, as I built these stairs I started noticing they have a very limited use. The stairs would be a very expensive piece to make, and take up waaay too much space on the board. That is fine with a display board, full of custom scenery, but with a modular board, where scenery space is at a premium because of you wanting the module size to be as small as possible to allow for more combinations, these have a very limited use.
Therefore, I might discontinue that section, in favour of some more variety regarding floor tiles. I feel a board built with these pieces would lack some propper area terrain, so I was thinking about road tiles with craters. Do you have any more suggestions regarding area terrain?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/09 09:25:34
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Shroomin Brain Boy
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usefull or not... you could always sell these stairs as awsome looking display boards!!! simply beautiful...
what about some fountains or such likes?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/09 13:25:32
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yeah man! I'm ready to pay up front for any molds you can make me of these! I see those as extremely useful!
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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/09 13:45:35
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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dsteingass wrote:Yeah man! I'm ready to pay up front for any molds you can make me of these! I see those as extremely useful!
Ditto, man, ditto.....
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You are waaaaay beyond crazy my friend -DSteingass
Yes, everything that changes the entire fething world is overrated..... - DSteingass
...yep... some of the dakka chaps here sure made the joints of my jaw quite loose..Viktor Von Domm
...they put Space Marines in tin cans and drop them from orbit, I don't think fuel consumption or aerodynamics is a concern - DSteingass
I think once again my motormouth has brought me into deep... - Viktor Von Domm
he knows no pain...nor fear, he is a riveteer - Viktor Von Domm
We don't do generic, mainstream, normal, or anything of the sort! ^^ - Shrike
You build fething Titans Henry Ford style Max!! - DSteingass
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/09 14:02:29
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
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really, your work is proof that Spanish people are way to artistic!!! no wonder the Spanish gamesday has the best looking models competing for the slayer sword
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/11 22:23:12
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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I finally started creating the moulds. I hope to be able to post pics soon. I unfortunately had some problems with the moulds, since a handful of the items needed for ensuring both parts of the mould fit seamlessly... floated off the liquid silicon and had to be removed. I will go on with the other side of these "faulty" moulds, since I hope it is not a capital problem. Building a mould for the pillar has been as much of a painful experience as I had imagined, since it is a really complex piece for a two-part mould. And the most difficult part of that process (removing the plasticine on the lower part of the piece) is still to be done. Automatically Appended Next Post: Here are the pics I promised. The Xs mark the pieces that drifted away and were removed. I will try to cut some bumps myself to replace them.
Today, I noticed also the upper silicon wall in the pillar section looked way too thin. It seems silicon has been dripping overnight to the empty lower part of the mould through a small joint between the plasticine and the original piece itself. I will have to reinforce one of the sides of the mould by replacing the lost silicon for it to have thickier walls and be more stable. This means I won't be able to check if the mould is viable until that new layer dries.
The place where the silicon fell is marked with a cercle in these shots.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/16 19:12:45
Subject: Re:2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Regular Dakkanaut
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After trashing the four half-moulds I had made, I started again from scratch, this time listening to the wisdom of the Internet. I was almost sure it was not going to end well, since the silicon refused to cure past 70% strength, and the cardboard originals were destroyed, parts of its surface stripped by the silicon. I almost lost any hope and wanted to cut my losses and let this proyect go.
However, after brushing the moulds with more catalizer, the silicon seemed to harden enough to be able to cast on them .
This was the result:
Barring some bubbles on the very low edges of the mould, the casts are flawless regarding the level of detail. The two storey high window piece had some problems, however, since the mould had warped because of the pressure applied by rubber bands in the casting process, so the piece was way thickier on the center than intended, so the windows that were supposed to be filled with light flash were clogged with half a centimeter of resin.
But after using some wodden pieces to regularize the pressure on the mould, I was finally successfull, and avoided any resin leakage.
These pieces are of a quality way higher than I expected! Two more moulds are now under construcion. A ground floor tile, and another 2 storey piece.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/16 19:17:21
Subject: 2500kgm3's Gothic scenery - Sentry tower and other deviations
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Shroomin Brain Boy
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well you live and you learn... of course the learning curve can be expensive in certain jobs... but i think you can be proud of your outcome!!...looks really good!
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