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I, for one, love the idea of both reavers and silver helms becoming core. Why? Because that means I finally have the chance of running an all mounted HE army. Competitive? Probably not. Monetarily expensive? Absolutely. Completely priceless to see the look of confusion on my opponents face when nothing but Elves mounted on horses, magical beasts, and chariots are staring him down from across the battlefield? Without a doubt.

Also, I am going to have to do some heavy conversion on that "battle mage", because I'm not a fan of squid farmers throwing their produce into battle. However, if it turns out he DOES know all signature spells...well that gets to be a little rediculous in a single mage. It effectively means that this single mage will be able to perfectly counter absolutely anything in the game, without exception. Big horde unit? Max level fireball. Bunch of knights staring you in the face? Searing doom. Looking at a nasty daemon pack? Burning gaze. Not to mention his ability to generate a 5+ regen for himself and grooup (restoring a lost wound in the process), leadership snipe other characters, reduce ws, bs, i, m, ld, to hit, AND boost his own units str and toughness. I mean seriously, if this guy isn't the master of utility, I don't know who or what is.

 Aerethan wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:

I agree that just making Silver Helms core doesn't mean I'll buy some. I'll use DP's with a few swaps to make them stand out.

As for reavers becoming core, it gives us a reason to bother owning them at all, as they were too terrible to justify using up Special % on them.
I can see myself running a unit or two as core to help meet 25% and not just spam spearman blocks. And the current Reaver sculpts I like just fine.

I think if they do not make the Ellyrian Reavers from IoB available outside of the box, I would end up going for Glade Riders instead.

What I'm really hoping for though (and have actually written GW about) is for GW to make a bundle of 10 Lothern Sea Guard for $25 and to make the Command models available for the price of the current 5 model sprue.

These ideas would indeed be possible if GW didn't insist on the cockamamie sprue design they used for IoB where nothing is in any sort of order.

If they had made each unit in IoB it's own little mini sprue, it would be fairly easy to separate them out and continue selling them after the box set is discontinued, or along side it as addon products.

There is one part in IoB where amid a bunch of HE parts are 2 random skaven heads. Separating them into sections that could be repackaged would have gotten GW far more bang for their buck on the mold cost.

I can't totally blame them for that one, because what you were getting out of that box would have cost you 3 times trying to do it piece meal. If they made it SUPER easy for evil-bayers to break that stuff apart, they would stand to loose almost as much money as they'd gain due to people selling whole sprues. It was a bit more work it this fashion, so while it still is going on, the sheer volume is greatly diminished.

And if Ellyrian Reavers and LSG are BOTH core, you'd best bet it'd get a little silly.




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 Aipoch wrote:
I, for one, love the idea of both reavers and silver helms becoming core. Why? Because that means I finally have the chance of running an all mounted HE army. Competitive? Probably not. Monetarily expensive? Absolutely. Completely priceless to see the look of confusion on my opponents face when nothing but Elves mounted on horses, magical beasts, and chariots are staring him down from across the battlefield? Without a doubt.

I'd hold back judgement on it's effectiveness though. Who knows what kind of points costs any of those things will hold, and that leaves A LOT of room for those ever so nasty WL Chariots. A LOT of room. I'm thinking of doing something similar, but that really shouldn't cost me too much. Maybe some reavers for a bits merchant (yep. I'll be guilty of the above) and another box of Silver Helms is all I really need. Got a Dragon still in the box, the Griffin Rider for IoB, 3 WL Chariots. Just need to see what the points values are, and I could really put that together.

And I want that box of SW to do VERY poorly. Hopefully I can convince others to boycott that crap.

JUST GO MOUNTED!!!

 Kanluwen wrote:
Not to be rude Aerethan, but you're aware that the Lothern Sea Guard that they are selling on a sprue of 5 are not using the same sprue layout as the Island of Blood box right?

It's totally doable. The fact that they already have a sprue of 5 for sale is proof of it.
The question that should be asked though? "Is the cost going to be low enough that GW will actually do it?"

I know for that ONE unit they do it, and I agree the price per model is WAY too high for monopose plastics.

I'm saying they should have just cut the IoB mold in such a way that they could do that with everything in the box. It would have saved them having to make that 5 man sprue, and would allow the sale of those sculpts even after IoB is gone until the units get new models years down the road. You think anyone is buying finecast Reavers and Swordmasters? No. They are ebaying the crap out of those units.

I'd be fine with more units being like the LSG if the price was reflected. Those LSG are $3.30 per model for single pose 2 piece models. A unit of 10 runs barely less than the Tactical Space Marine box which has worlds more versatility in it.

I wonder how many people spend the $16.50 for 5 models from GW instead of buying 10 with command for $16.45 on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/WFB-Island-of-Blood-High-Elves-Lothern-Sea-Guard-10-S-/190827394416?pt=Games_US&hash=item2c6e32f570

Same sculpts, twice as many models(or 40% more if you can't find a use for the command).

I can confirm that the releases listed in the first post are the only High ELf releases this month, so no Finecast Maiden Guard (missed opportunity, making the maiden guard commander useless).

 Kroothawk wrote:
I can confirm that the releases listed in the first post are the only High ELf releases this month, so no Finecast Maiden Guard (missed opportunity, making the maiden guard commander useless).

They may just be having her as a stand alone hero..............

 Kroothawk wrote:
I can confirm that the releases listed in the first post are the only High ELf releases this month, so no Finecast Maiden Guard (missed opportunity, making the maiden guard commander useless).

Interesting. Does this throw doubt on the giant dragon / dragon riders rumours? Surely they'd want such centre pieces released in the first wave?

From a friend over at LO

Just got the new White dwarf

Quick overview:

Loremaster: Level 2 mage, don't generate spells as normal, but knows all signatures spells from the 8 BRB lores

Units got the ASF rule still, but nothing about it overruling normal rules, so swordmasters and white lions will strike on ini, but no rerolls

Swordmasters got a 6+ ward against non-magical ranged attacks

Shield of saphery is lore attribute

4 other spells are Drain magic (signitaure), soul quench (also says signitaure.....), aptothesis and hand of glory. Text is very small, so hard to make out what it says, but I think soul quench is a magic missile with 2d6 str 4 hits on 8+, can be boosted to 4d6 hits on a 16+. Hand of glory is a reversed miasma. Boost either ws, bs, move or ini by d3 on a 5+, can be boosted (seems damn good). The other 2 I can't make out, nor the lore attribute

In the battlerepport, Matt Hutson is using an annonited of Asuryan (dunno if that's a fancy name for a prince or if he's got some special abbilities) and a loremaster.
Heroes are a dragon mage wearing a dragon armour (ooooh yeah) with a gem of sunfire, as well as a level 2 with Khain's ring of fury

Core troops are: Spearmen, archers, Silver Helms and Ellryian reavers (big ooooooh yeah on those 2)

Specials are : swordmasters and lothern skycutters (flying chariot thingies with eagle eye bolt thrower (note that it's not an eagles claw)

Rare are: flamespyre phoenix (other is frostheart phoenix, his Annointed rides on), 2 x eagles claw and 10 sisters of avelorn (girls with magic bows)

Oh and seems the BSB that's pictured isn't an individual pack, but can be assembled from the Lothern skycutter if you don't use one of the options


Will write more when I've had time to read the repport


edit: Forgot, the swordmasters are carrying the banner of the world dragon in the repport

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Those pictures may have been removed from one source, but they are on others and perhaps even more pictures than before. Here's a link:

http://blog.spikeybits.com/2013/04/hot-high-elf-picture-leak-rumors.html

furbyballer wrote:
From a friend over at LO

Just got the new White dwarf

Quick overview:

Loremaster: Level 2 mage, don't generate spells as normal, but knows all signatures spells from the 8 BRB lores

Units got the ASF rule still, but nothing about it overruling normal rules, so swordmasters and white lions will strike on ini, but no rerolls

Swordmasters got a 6+ ward against non-magical ranged attacks

Shield of saphery is lore attribute

4 other spells are Drain magic (signitaure), soul quench (also says signitaure.....), aptothesis and hand of glory. Text is very small, so hard to make out what it says, but I think soul quench is a magic missile with 2d6 str 4 hits on 8+, can be boosted to 4d6 hits on a 16+. Hand of glory is a reversed miasma. Boost either ws, bs, move or ini by d3 on a 5+, can be boosted (seems damn good). The other 2 I can't make out, nor the lore attribute

In the battlerepport, Matt Hutson is using an annonited of Asuryan (dunno if that's a fancy name for a prince or if he's got some special abbilities) and a loremaster.
Heroes are a dragon mage wearing a dragon armour (ooooh yeah) with a gem of sunfire, as well as a level 2 with Khain's ring of fury

Core troops are: Spearmen, archers, Silver Helms and Ellryian reavers (big ooooooh yeah on those 2)

Specials are : swordmasters and lothern skycutters (flying chariot thingies with eagle eye bolt thrower (note that it's not an eagles claw)

Rare are: flamespyre phoenix (other is frostheart phoenix, his Annointed rides on), 2 x eagles claw and 10 sisters of avelorn (girls with magic bows)

Oh and seems the BSB that's pictured isn't an individual pack, but can be assembled from the Lothern skycutter if you don't use one of the options


Will write more when I've had time to read the repport


edit: Forgot, the swordmasters are carrying the banner of the world dragon in the repport

Very interesting about the army keeping ASF, still haven't heard a thing about Phoenix guard.

Presumably the Swordmasters 6+ Ward Save against ranged attacks only works on missiles of a certain strength or below?

If they can parry cannon balls, huge rocks and mortar shells, then in the words of Eric Cartman...

"Screw you guys. I'm going home."

Most likely just certain missile weapons

 Flashman wrote:
Presumably the Swordmasters 6+ Ward Save against ranged attacks only works on missiles of a certain strength or below?

If they can parry cannon balls, huge rocks and mortar shells, then in the words of Eric Cartman...

"Screw you guys. I'm going home."

Unless its magical protection.............then its possible.

Euro prices are:

Warhammer: High Elves army book - € 39.00
Uniforms & Heraldry of the High Elves (English) - € 26.00
High Elves Flamespyre Phoenix - € 46.00
High Elves Lothern Skycutter - € 46.00
High Elves Shadow Warriors - € 40.00
High Elves Loremaster of Hoeth - € 15.00
Alarielle the Radiant - € 15.50
Handmaiden of the Everqueen - € 13.00
High Elves Chracian Shields Upgrade Pack - € 14.50
High Elves Battalion - € 105.00
WBM: High Elves (English) - Magic Cards. - € 4.50


Skycutter: "Fly me closer! I want to hit them with my trident!"

The 6+ parry save for SMs is only for BS based attacks. But I am firm believer that martial prowess combined with retaining ASF is still a very powerful combo, even if we do not get the re-rolls. Can't wait for Friday. So stoked!

furbyballer wrote:
The 6+ parry save for SMs is only for BS based attacks.

Which would extend to Bolt Throwers, no?

 Flashman wrote:

furbyballer wrote:
The 6+ parry save for SMs is only for BS based attacks.

Which would extend to Bolt Throwers, no?

Of course. Those are just big arrows. And everyone knows a lightsaber parrying defends against arrows.

I love the fact we're still retaining ASF.

I also love the fact that Swordmasters have turned into Jedis.

Turned back into, you mean.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Turned back into, you mean.

I want Eltharion the blind back. One of my favorite characters ever!

furbyballer wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Turned back into, you mean.

I want Eltharion the blind back. One of my favorite characters ever!

I still have that model, plan on using him as my loremaster

 pities2004 wrote:

furbyballer wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Turned back into, you mean.

I want Eltharion the blind back. One of my favorite characters ever!

I still have that model, plan on using him as my loremaster

Hmm... I don't recall any magic jellyfish on that sculpt

Just a thing about the phenixes, they're a good deal bigger than I thought at first. With the first leaks I imagined them great eagle sized.
In fact they go on dragon bases and have the same wingspan as them! Also you get parts to make the rider "on foot" should you want not to put it on. Meaning a free caradryan if you don't plan on putting him on. Not too shabby

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
Meaning a free caradryan if you don't plan on putting him on. Not too shabby

well I wouldn't call him free but it does make the kit just that little more appealing

 Robbietobbie wrote:

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
Meaning a free caradryan if you don't plan on putting him on. Not too shabby

well I wouldn't call him free but it does make the kit just that little more appealing

Yeah I shouldn't have phrased it that way, more like an extra hero in addition to the phenix itself

Yeah that would be a better way of putting it
stuff like that is a great move though, it is what's making me consider getting a phoenix and a chariot.. the extra stuff could get me 2 heroes and a bolt thrower

 Robbietobbie wrote:
Yeah that would be a better way of putting it
stuff like that is a great move though, it is what's making me consider getting a phoenix and a chariot.. the extra stuff could get me 2 heroes and a bolt thrower

This is great news. Where they potentially screwed up with the SWs, the are redeeming themselves by making the other packs essentially booster boxes versus just a single use package.

Great move if that was intentional.

I'm still not convinced that these Pheonixes are actually going to be all that good. I mean, if they're monsters, they're still cannon fodder. Despite that though, I guess GW want to sell the models. I don't think a 4+ or even a 3+ Ward Save is unlikely...

Odd to see the Games-workshop.com May white dwarf preview has nothing on high elves

@ The Shadow from the battle report they have a ward save which because of their magic-dependant special rule gets to 4+.
Also the battle report was saved for the high elf because a killed phenix came back to life on the last turn (the report had some kind of objective that the phenix went to contest)

So it can come on "any" turn after its killed, not just the following turn? I know what I'm charging in!!!!