High Elf army book in May (official pre-order pics added to first post)

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**Red Comet**

He didn't do a bad job with Necrons. Didn't he work on Daemons as well for 8th Edition?

**JOHIRA**

Kroothawk wrote:
Let's hope. Mat Ward doesn't PLEASE FIND A MORE APPROPRIATE WORD current High Elf fluff as he has done with Grey Knights and Space Marines.

I look forward to spearmen carrying "High Spears" and archers shooting "High Bows" and "High Princes" on the backs of "High Dragons" wearing "High Helms" casting "High Spells".

They're going to be completely, 100% High.

**Flashman**

Red Comet wrote:
He didn't do a bad job with Necrons. Didn't he work on Daemons as well for 8th Edition?

Yes, joking aide, I liked the new Necron fluff. The C'Tan were badly mishandled - Star Gods? Pah! We just happened to have a Star God Instant Death Machine - but aside from that, it was a pretty good reimagining of the Necron race IMHO

**Kroothawk**

Avian over at Warseer wrote:Stuff from the twitterfeed (no pics there, so posting it can't possibly be problematic):

- Anointed of Asuryan as a new Lord choice. Can ride the Flamespyre Phoenix. Picture was posted briefly. It was the on-foot version of the ridden model.
- Loremaster as another new Lord choice. Has WS and A of a Noble, counts as a lvl 2 and knows all the signature spells in the rulebook. Great weapon and heavy armour.
- Lothern Sea Helm as a new Hero choice. Can ride the Skycutter chariot or be on foot. Can be the BSB
- Reavers and Silver Helms are Core. No news on other Core.
- Army apparently has army-wide ASF, Valour of Ages and Martial Prowess (presumably this means no-rolls for Swordmasters and White Lions)
- unridden Phoenixes are Rare. Names are Flamespyre and Frostheart. Only Caradryan can ride the frost one. They have a Ward save as normal and can come back from the dead on a D6 roll of a 6. Have a special rule called Attuned to Magic, which gives them abilities depending on the roll for the Winds of Magic. One of these boosts the Ward to a 4+.
- Flying chariot is called the Skycutter Chariot. Doesn't say it they are Special or Rare.
- High Magic Lore attribute gives units that have an augment cast on them a 6+ Ward in addition to any other effect. If the unit already has a Ward it gets improves as with the Mark of Tzeentch
- Bolt throwers are still Rare
- Sisters of Avelorn is the name of the new bow-wielding lasses

https://twitter.com/Gas_Monkey82

TheRaven over at Warseer found these Euro prices on a Spanish website, but I think they are wrong and too low, as e.g. the armybooks now cost 39€ :

Euro prices translated from spanish.

Lord of Knowledge: € 12

- Flying Boat: € 34.50

- The Eternal Maiden Queen (character): 10 €

- Sisters of Avelorn: € 29.50

- Shadowy: € 29.50

- Phoenix: € 34.50

- Army Book 34 €

- Alarielle: € 12

**Red Comet**

Flashman wrote:
Red Comet wrote:
He didn't do a bad job with Necrons. Didn't he work on Daemons as well for 8th Edition?

Yes, joking aide, I liked the new Necron fluff. The C'Tan were badly mishandled - Star Gods? Pah! We just happened to have a Star God Instant Death Machine - but aside from that, it was a pretty good reimagining of the Necron race IMHO

The C'Tan fluff wasn't bad, but I know it left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths because of how they were before.

Kroothawk thanks for the info!

**Scottywan82**

Awww, so no Finubar the Seafarer after all? Shame.

**silent25**

Kanluwen wrote:
silent25 wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Those prices look right; but $50 for the Shadow Warriors box?

That seems way too steep...unless you can make both the Shadow Warriors and the asyetunnamed archer unit from it.

It is 75% of the current shadow warrior price. So you are seeing a "savings".

The part you're missing is that Shadow Warriors are reputedly a "Core" choice.

A $50 Core choice? The only Core choice that doesn't look like pants or require buying a Starter Box for High Elves?

Ridiculous.

That is why I called it a [sarcasm]"savings"[/sarcasm].

Polish on a turd.

**jonolikespie**

$50 USD for 10 Shadow warriors.

That'll be $70 AUD.

That's my interest in a shadow warrior army and this release as a whole well and truly dead.

**TheDungen**

DaKKaLAnce wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
Let's hope. Mat Ward doesn't PLEASE FIND A MORE APPROPRIATE WORD current High Elf fluff as he has done with Grey Knights and Space Marines.

I hope he stays with fantasy... He is the fluff killer for 40k

And you think he's better at warhammer? Matt ward writes overly fantastic shiny things and character who kills entire armies on their own and they fit a lot more in the big 40k universe than in the relatively small and muted warhammer world.

That said he's good when he has someone to bounce ideas of, like when he and Anthony Reynolds wrote the woof elf book back in 6th.

**Fenrir Kitsune**

Is Ward really the author? His name gets attached to every book early on, mostly to troll the GW fans.

On the Ward 40K vs Ward WFB thing - our waistcoated friend killed off 7th edition nigh on single handedly with his demons book. I'd love it if he did the same again, just for the reaction if nothing else.

**TheDungen**

Please not with high elves though, there are enough kids playing them already cause they think they're the good guys...

**Fenrir Kitsune**

TheDungen wrote:
Please not with high elves though, there are enough kids playing them already cause they think they're the good guys...

They are though. And with flying eagle boats - who can resist!

**TheDungen**

I don't mind the eagleboats actually, I don't mind any of the sculpts... except maybe the everqueen but that's just because the old mini was so great.

I mind that we'll see teclis and tyrion killing slaanesh or something...

No to mention all the rules of the different kingdoms dancing in a circle of happy contentment and getting along, no to mention that the high elves will obviously wish they were ultramarines. and the phoenix guard painting themselves in the blood of the sisters of avelorn to avoid falling to khorne...
Oh and we'll see Imrik fistbumping alith anar, cause, obviously they got over the whole naragyrthe and caledor disliking each other long ago

**Kroothawk**

Kroothawk wrote:
Let's hope. Mat Ward doesn't PLEASE FIND A MORE APPROPRIATE WORD current High Elf fluff as he has done with Grey Knights and Space Marines.

But the swear filter doesn't allow me to use a more appropriate word

**JohnnyHell**

Using those terms as derogatory isn't clever in any way, shape or form, Krrothawk (I saw what you wrote before it was sensibly changed). Flex your vocabulary instead of tolerating abuse by perpetuating it.

**reds8n**

The topic is the High Elf army book, not Mr. Ward.

**pities2004**

Yeah, i'm just grateful high elves are getting a new book.
Don't care who writes it.

Excited to see the new High Magic spells

**disty**

JohnnyHell wrote:
Using those terms as derogatory isn't clever in any way, shape or form, Krrothawk (I saw what you wrote before it was sensibly changed). Flex your vocabulary instead of tolerating abuse by perpetuating it.

When passing sanctimonious judgement on others it's considered polite to correctly spell their username. Kroothawk was given sufficient warning by the moderator, there's no need to derail further.

Back to the HE. I'm sure none of us want to see another Matt Ward bashing thread (god knows there's enough of them) but the concerns over authorship are genuine. There's a distinct difference with regards to progressing fluff and altering it. Mr Ward does have a tendency towards the latter. Whether this is his own personal decision or a direction the studio has requested he take is open to speculation. I'll reserve judgement until I hold the book in my hands.

**Aerethan**

Anyone wanna take bets that High Elves wrote the book on war and that every humanoid race in WFB uses that book as the basis for all its military decisions Except those Viking guys up north who hunt with wolves?

All joking aside, So we're getting an EQ, but not current or even finecast Maiden Guard?

Also, for those concerned over the price of the shadow warriors box, hit me up for how to get 30% off any GW plastics, books, paints, etc. The only thing I can't get cheap is finecast and metal.

$50 would mean my hookups price is $35, and he does $7 flat rate shipping. $35 for 10 models is still steep, but for one or 2 boxes it opens up some money that I don't currently need to spend on new spearmen.

**Charles Rampant**

That sounded surprisingly sleasy, Aerethan. When are we expecting these to go up for official previews/preorders?

**Aerethan**

Charles Rampant wrote:
That sounded surprisingly sleasy, Aerethan. When are we expecting these to go up for official previews/preorders?

Which part is sleazy? The attack on the writer or the attack on high prices? I don't need to justify my discount hookup, there are plenty of other Dakka members who have used the same source on my referral who can vouche for it's legitimacy if that is your concern.

Most of this release is plastic, and my seller does 30% off all plastic. Nothing sleazy about it.

EDIT: These should be up for preorder Friday night/Saturday morning.

**pretre**

http://lkhero.blogspot.se/2013/04/new-high-elves-rumors-from-wd.html

HERO's Gaming Blog wrote:
Straight from the WD it seems..

Source #1 - Source says from the WD
Some rumours for you all.

New Sea Guard character type. Can ride flying chariot
Hoeth Loremaster is a Lord choice and is L2 mage that knows all signature spells from battle magic.
Phoenix gets buffs based on winds of magic. If it dies, comes back on a roll of a 6
Reavers and Silverhelms core
Bolt throwers are rare
High Elf lore attribute "Shield of Saphery" grants 6+ ward save, if you have a 6+ ward save already it increase by +1
White Lions and Swordmasters still have ASF...
Phoenix can be ridden or unridden. Flame Phoenix is anointed of Asuuryan, Frost is anointed of Caradryan
Sisters of Averlorn, magic bows.

Source #2
I have contacts that have confirmed 2 things for me
A. Lord level lordmaster is in the game in some capacity(knowign 1 of each lore which is sig)
L2 wizard high elf hero stats but 3 wounds.

B. Looks like ASF is staying contary to all rumours, however whether it is speed of asuryan style with great weapon im yet to find out, however i highly doubt it and think it will flick to initiative order rather than asl. Looks like great weapons in initiative order. Also new rule partial prowess across the entire army!

C. Lothern Sky cutter chariots are the new chariot pulled by a swift feather rock! Eagle eye bolt thrower on back (possibly an upgrade)
can be a character mount for new character Lothern sea helm which is the guys you have seen with bsb in rumour sections. This guy can alos be on foot and or armed with trident.

D. Sisters of averlorn are rare choice with magical bows using wytch fire.

E. High elf core will be reavers and silver helms and high elf militia(i dont know details of this)

F. Sms and Dps WLs(characian hunters) same stats have no idea if they have extra armour or not yet.

G. Flame Spire Phoenix does a slash attack, wake of fire (like abomb it can get back up), soem type of ward, attune to magic rule.

H. Lion chariots same stats will be stubborn.

I. Shadow warriors plastic kit sold in 10s.

J. Anointed of Asuryan is character that can ride phoenix.

K. Banner of world dargon possible without bsb though i dont know what it does.

L. Sms 6+ ward possibly only vs shooting

M. RBT still in rare

N. Everqueen has an upgrade or a second character is called her hand maiden appears to be a body guard

O. High magics

Lore attribute you gain +1 to ward saves

signatures *2
Soul quench 8+16+ 18 inch
2d6/4d6 s4 magic missiles
Drain Magic is an augment and hex 7+ remians in play (not sure on details)

Spell 1 Apothesis 5+
single model 18inch
recovers a wound or boosted 12+D3 wounds

Spell no? Hand of glory5+/10+
Increases ws,bs,i,m by 1 or d3

Sorry thats all i have
Thats all I have guys hope that helps confirm or dispel some rumours, watch this space if you want the truth.

Source #3
FACTS:
1) High Magic Lore attribute is 6+ ward save on friendly units if you cast a spell on them. If your already have a ward save, this gets better by 1 point.
2) Stubborn Lion Chariots.
3) Frost and Fire phoenixes can go alone. BUT frost phoenix can only be ridden by Caradryan and fire phoenix by the Anointed of Asuryan.
4) Loremaster of hoeth is L2 Lord option with WS6 W3 A3. Knows all signatures from rulebook.
5) New Lothern Sea Guard hero character. He can ride a flying boat.
6) New Lord option: Anointed of Asuryan. He can ride a fire phoenix.
7) Silver Helms go core.
Sisters of Avelorn will have magic bows (but we do not know if any other bonuses)
9) Three army rules: Speed of Asuryan, Valor of Ages, Martial Prowess. We do not know yet if they remain the same or they have changed (apparently the latter option).
10) Flying boat name is Skycutter. LSG hero can be built on foot or as a crewmember from the Skycutter sprue. Phoenixes' names are: flamespyre/frostheart; Anointed of Asuryan and plastic Caradryan can be built either mounted or on foot from plastic sprues of phoenixes
11) Deductions: Phoenixes WON'T be MC, for they go either alone or are a hero mount. You may expect heros from other regions (avelorn, caledor, chrace)

All those things can be already considered facts, AND they are today's leaks all of them.

Source #4
New Range Items

Warhammer: High Elves
· 96 page full-colour, hardback Warhammer armies book written by Mat Ward.

High Elves Flamespyre Phoenix/ Frostheart Phoenix
· This box contains a multipart plastic kit that makes either a Flamespyre Phoenix or a Frostheart Phoenix, two completely new monster miniatures for Warhammer, along with two mighty warriors of renown that can ride them.

High Elves Lothern Skycutter
· This completely new flying chariot is a multipart plastic kit that can be assembled in one of three different ways. Either as a flying chariot drawn by Swiftfeather Roc, upgraded to include an Eagle Eye Bolt Thrower or a mount for a Sea Helm a new High Elf Hero.

High Elves Shadow Warriors/Sisters of Avelorn
· This box contains a multipart plastic kit that makes either ten Shadow Warriors armed with Longbow and Sword or 10 Sisters of Avelorn, a new High Elf unit armed with magical Bows of Avelorn.

Loremaster of Hoeth
· This clampack contains a new High Elf warrior mage, the Loremaster of Hoeth as he charges into battle casting a fireball spell on a sculpted base.

Repackaged High Elf Battalion
· Contains 20 Spearmen, 20 Archers, 8 Silver Helms and a High Elf Chariot (that can be assembled as a Tiranoc Chariot or a Lion Chariot of Chrace).

Uniforms and Heraldry of the High Elves Book
·72 page full-colour, hardback Uniform and Heraldry guide detailing the colour schemes, crests, banners and blazonry of the ten realms of the High Elves.

New Finecast Releases

Alarielle the Radiant
· A clampack that contains one highly detailed Citadel Finecast resin miniature sculpted by Edgar Ramos. Alarielle is the Everqueen of Ulthuan her miniature strides forward with roses bursting to life beneath her feet as she strides over a piece of Chaos Warrior armour.

Handmaiden of the Everqueen
· A clampack that contains one highly detailed Citadel Finecast resin miniature sculpted by Darren Latham. The Handmaiden is a warrior champion of the Everqueen

Available While Stocks Last
These Items are highly limited, please request the quantity you require and we will supply you as close to this number as we can.

Warhammer Battle Magic: High Elves
·Eight cards that define the unique effects of High Elf spells and are great to help keep track of the spells used by each of the wizards on the battlefield.

**Earth Dragon**

Aerethan wrote:
Anyone wanna take bets that High Elves wrote the book on war and that every humanoid race in WFB uses that book as the basis for all its military decisions Except those Viking guys up north who hunt with wolves?

All joking aside, So we're getting an EQ, but not current or even finecast Maiden Guard?

Also, for those concerned over the price of the shadow warriors box, hit me up for how to get 30% off any GW plastics, books, paints, etc. The only thing I can't get cheap is finecast and metal.

$50 would mean my hookups price is $35, and he does $7 flat rate shipping. $35 for 10 models is still steep, but for one or 2 boxes it opens up some money that I don't currently need to spend on new spearmen.

Oddly, many of us can also get 20-30% off GW plastic products, but if they were $40 a box (which is still outrageous. Stop punishing us because you don't wanna box your sprues seperately GW) then the 20-30% would still apply. Plastic troops should not be price at over $4 a model IMHO. And as the Aussie said, it then has a trickle down effect on anything they decide to purchase.

GW is about to price themselves right out of the miniatures business, and I've been one to claim that their troop boxes have stayed reasonable. They let me down on this one, and I've already started making the move to different games.

**Aerethan**

Don't get me wrong, $35 for 10 models is still crazy high. We used to pay that for 2x as many models.

I'm just offering that discount to anyone who may see this, as no one should be paying full retail for GW models.

**Kanluwen**

I'm becoming slightly less annoyed at the Shadow Warrior price, as it occurs to me that it is a pretty good sign they will remain Special rather than Core. Not only that, but with some creativity (and access to a bits seller...) you could likely build both the Shadow Warriors and Sisters of Avelorn.

I'm becoming more annoyed though that Ellyrian Reavers and Silver Helms are becoming Core...but the Ellyrian Reavers will likely remain confined to Island of Blood and Silver Helms will not be updated.

Screw the crummy old Silver Helms. Dragon Princes are far, far nicer and will likely be a good way to do Silver Helms.

**Aerethan**

Kanluwen wrote:
I'm becoming slightly less annoyed at the Shadow Warrior price, as it occurs to me that it is a pretty good sign they will remain Special rather than Core. Not only that, but with some creativity (and access to a bits seller...) you could likely build both the Shadow Warriors and Sisters of Avelorn.

I'm becoming more annoyed though that Ellyrian Reavers and Silver Helms are becoming Core...but the Ellyrian Reavers will likely remain confined to Island of Blood and Silver Helms will not be updated.

Screw the crummy old Silver Helms. Dragon Princes are far, far nicer and will likely be a good way to do Silver Helms.

I agree that just making Silver Helms core doesn't mean I'll buy some. I'll use DP's with a few swaps to make them stand out.

As for reavers becoming core, it gives us a reason to bother owning them at all, as they were too terrible to justify using up Special % on them.

I can see myself running a unit or two as core to help meet 25% and not just spam spearman blocks. And the current Reaver sculpts I like just fine.

**Earth Dragon**

Aerethan wrote:
Don't get me wrong, $35 for 10 models is still crazy high. We used to pay that for 2x as many models.

I'm just offering that discount to anyone who may see this, as no one should be paying full retail for GW models.

I should say I appreciate that you are throwing that out there. Yeah, instead of Maiden whatevers sharing box space, they could have doubled the amount of SWs. Or produced twice as many of the shared sprues, boxed them seperately, and sold them for $29 apiece (ya know, the same going rate for many of the other 10-man boxes)

I don't mind the giant monsters that amount to 40 troops worth of points costing me a little extra for the amount of plastic I'm getting. In the end, I'm still saving versus what the 40 troops would cost me.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
And does anyone know what this Chracian upgrade is all about. I may just buy the frost phoniex, flesh out a new squad of White Lions with the upgrade, and be done with it.

**Kanluwen**

Aerethan wrote:

I agree that just making Silver Helms core doesn't mean I'll buy some. I'll use DP's with a few swaps to make them stand out.

As for reavers becoming core, it gives us a reason to bother owning them at all, as they were too terrible to justify using up Special % on them.
I can see myself running a unit or two as core to help meet 25% and not just spam spearman blocks. And the current Reaver sculpts I like just fine.

I think if they do not make the Ellyrian Reavers from IoB available outside of the box, I would end up going for Glade Riders instead.

What I'm really hoping for though (and have actually written GW about) is for GW to make a bundle of 10 Lothern Sea Guard for $25 and to make the Command models available for the price of the current 5 model sprue.

**Aerethan**

Kanluwen wrote:
Aerethan wrote:

I agree that just making Silver Helms core doesn't mean I'll buy some. I'll use DP's with a few swaps to make them stand out.

As for reavers becoming core, it gives us a reason to bother owning them at all, as they were too terrible to justify using up Special % on them.
I can see myself running a unit or two as core to help meet 25% and not just spam spearman blocks. And the current Reaver sculpts I like just fine.

I think if they do not make the Ellyrian Reavers from IoB available outside of the box, I would end up going for Glade Riders instead.

What I'm really hoping for though (and have actually written GW about) is for GW to make a bundle of 10 Lothern Sea Guard for $25 and to make the Command models available for the price of the current 5 model sprue.

These ideas would indeed be possible if GW didn't insist on the cockamamie sprue design they used for IoB where nothing is in any sort of order.

If they had made each unit in IoB it's own little mini sprue, it would be fairly easy to separate them out and continue selling them after the box set is discontinued, or along side it as addon products.

There is one part in IoB where amid a bunch of HE parts are 2 random skaven heads. Separating them into sections that could be repackaged would have gotten GW far more bang for their buck on the mold cost.

**Kanluwen**

Not to be rude Aerethan, but you're aware that the Lothern Sea Guard that they are selling on a sprue of 5 are not using the same sprue layout as the Island of Blood box right?

It's totally doable. The fact that they already have a sprue of 5 for sale is proof of it.
The question that should be asked though? "Is the cost going to be low enough that GW will actually do it?"