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Shame, I'd have picked one up in plastic but in resin there are too many other toys calling me.

Still, nice looking model.

Hastings appears to be somewhat out of the loop...

, and now we can trust him just a little bit less.

That's unfair. Hastings basically seems to see things through some sort of trick lens, and sometimes makes mistakes not because his information is bad but because it isn't necessarily what it seems to be at first glance (with the added issue he isn't that into 40K in some cases.)

I'd guess there is still a large plastic flyer kit in the works, but it may not be a THawk.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
This doesn't mean there isn't a plastic one coming.

I don't really care either way, just thought I'd point that out.

Why would Forgeworld spend the time and effort to make a new resin Thunderhawk, if there was a plastic one coming out soon, that would make it obsolete?

Why would Forge World spend the time and effort to make the Xiphon Interceptor when the Stormhawk Interceptor had recently come out/was on its way out?
Did the plastic Venerable Dreadnought kit invalidate the resin kit?

GW producing something in plastic != obsolete resin kits.

Because the Xiphon and Stormhawk are different models and the plastic Venerable dread came out a good while after the resin, and the resin ones also offered chapter specific options. Different situations to releasing a resin model and shortly after releasing the same model (even if it's a different pattern) in plastic.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
This doesn't mean there isn't a plastic one coming.

I don't really care either way, just thought I'd point that out.

You honestly think that they will simultaneously release the same kit in plastic and resin??

I guess that could appeal to the 'I'd actually like to pay 5x the price for no benefit, makes me feel important' 24carat iphone crowd lol.

Ironclad Dreadnought is in both plastic and resin. Not "the same kit", mind, but they've had plastic/resin variants of stuff in the past.

False equivalency bud. There is a key point you are missing - these things you referenced weren't released at the exact same time. That kinda is the point. The Xiphon and stormhawk are no the same kit in diff materials. So that has nothing to do with this. Dreads released years apart, and that is a very important point. They also have a large differentiation and options between them too. Price not being someone's annual hobby budget also a huge diff.

It would have made sense for GW to release a core plastic and then have FW release variant additions, but not the exact same, or at least largely identical vehicle. Not at these prices. Having dread options is low cost enough to understand. A 200 buck thunderhawk and a 600 buck thunderhawk, not vastly different from one another, makes zero sense at all.

Your hair is a bird, your argument is invalid

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
This doesn't mean there isn't a plastic one coming.

I don't really care either way, just thought I'd point that out.

Why would Forgeworld spend the time and effort to make a new resin Thunderhawk, if there was a plastic one coming out soon, that would make it obsolete?

Why would Forge World spend the time and effort to make the Xiphon Interceptor when the Stormhawk Interceptor had recently come out/was on its way out?
Did the plastic Venerable Dreadnought kit invalidate the resin kit?

GW producing something in plastic != obsolete resin kits.

The Xiphon is not a Stormhawk. They're entirely different kits. Thunderhawks are Thunderhawks. They are the same kits. Releasing them at the same time would be idiotic.

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 MajorTom11 wrote:

It would have made sense for GW to release a core plastic and then have FW release variant additions, but not the exact same, or at least largely identical vehicle. Not at these prices. Having dread options is low cost enough to understand. A 200 buck thunderhawk and a 600 buck thunderhawk, not vastly different from one another, makes zero sense at all.

Your hair is a bird, your argument is invalid

My interest level has reset to 0. Gone from planning to buy multiples to no interest at all. Even if the price was as rumoured I still wouldn't want to touch such a big resin kit.

Between this and the shadow war debacle GW is having a bad month.

This new resin Thunderhawk keeps the iconic and uncompromising outline of the Thunderhawk we all know and love, but also takes on a few design cues from other recent kits, like the Stormbird and Heresy-era Space Marine Legion tanks.

I really like the look of this new version. Hopefully Forge World have found a way to mitigate the soul-destroying problems they have with their larger kits (warping, uneven shrinkage, misalignment, etc.).

Again, it still doesn't mean that some type of Thunderhawk isn't coming in plastic.

There are lots of duplicate Resin/Plastic FW/GW kits out now.

Maybe a plastic one would be a more dumbed down/less refined kit. Kind of like the Contenptors, BoP/BaC stuff....

Who knows.... I mean... certainly not anyone on these boards.

 TalonZahn wrote:
Again, it still doesn't mean that some type of Thunderhawk isn't coming in plastic.

There are lots of duplicate Resin/Plastic FW/GW kits out now.

Maybe a plastic one would be a more dumbed down/less refined kit. Kind of like the Contenptors, BoP/BaC stuff....

Who knows.... I mean... certainly not anyone on these boards.

I hope not. A dumbed-down plastic THawk would be a waste of potential. Better only a plastic one, with maximum detail and sophistication.

Johnny The Lictor wrote:NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
WHY GW
WHY YOU DO THIS

They didn't do anything, they didn't stand up and announce a plastic thunderhawk was incoming, that was Hastings.

MajorTom11 wrote:
Also very misleading 'last ever thunderhawk!' stuff, then 2 weeks later, 'first ever thunderhawk!' from FW lol -

Much like the Lightning, I expect it will be the MkII or the 'insert forge world name' pattern thunderhawk.

MajorTom11 wrote:
I think many will be quite disappointed by this turn of events, for price implications alone...

I immediately was, then realized I was only going to buy them if they were plastic and so not existing, I went back to my original 'mental shopping cart' of things I want... which is still vast and the cost of a large house...

Didn't they literally say that the last resin Thawk had been sold?

 MajorTom11 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
This doesn't mean there isn't a plastic one coming.

I don't really care either way, just thought I'd point that out.

You honestly think that they will simultaneously release the same kit in plastic and resin??

I guess that could appeal to the 'I'd actually like to pay 5x the price for no benefit, makes me feel important' 24carat iphone crowd lol.

Ironclad Dreadnought is in both plastic and resin. Not "the same kit", mind, but they've had plastic/resin variants of stuff in the past.

False equivalency bud. There is a key point you are missing - these things you referenced weren't released at the exact same time. That kinda is the point. The Xiphon and stormhawk are no the same kit in diff materials. So that has nothing to do with this. Dreads released years apart, and that is a very important point. They also have a large differentiation and options between them too. Price not being someone's annual hobby budget also a huge diff.

Call it a false equivalency if you want, my point was that they effectively are the same item just with minor variations.

That's been FW's bread and butter for how long? "Not quite the same as a GW item"

It would have made sense for GW to release a core plastic and then have FW release variant additions, but not the exact same, or at least largely identical vehicle. Not at these prices. Having dread options is low cost enough to understand. A 200 buck thunderhawk and a 600 buck thunderhawk, not vastly different from one another, makes zero sense at all.

That argument can be made for huge swathes of FW's range...

Your hair is a bird, your argument is invalid

Your hair's a bird!


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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:
Also very misleading 'last ever thunderhawk!' stuff, then 2 weeks later, 'first ever thunderhawk!' from FW lol -

Much like the Lightning, I expect it will be the MkII or the 'insert forge world name' pattern thunderhawk.

This is actually the biggest reason why I think there could be some truth to the rumor.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Didn't they literally say that the last resin Thawk had been sold?

This is actually a Forgeworld name here pattern Thunderhawk, totally different.

And this is why I don't pay much attention to rumors.

The new Thunderhawk makes me want to start collecting marines. Some Imperial Fists with Lysander, lotsa Hammernators, Caestus Rams and this new beauty

 TalonZahn wrote:
This doesn't mean there isn't a plastic one coming.

Yes, it does. At least for the immediate, foreseeable future. If GW was going to sell plastic, they'd have digitally resculpted the Thawk and cut tools, rather than making resin molds and such.

Huh. You know it's kinda interesting, but there are certain similarities between the new kit and a 3D model I made a while back just for fun to update the Thunderhawk's aesthetic to something that worked with the newer kits. I drew heavily from the old metal and the epic kits and it looks like FW did the same when they made this one.



I won't say I'm not disappointed that it won't be plastic, but this way I won't feel tempted to get one.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
This doesn't mean there isn't a plastic one coming.

Yes, it does. At least for the immediate, foreseeable future. If GW was going to sell plastic, they'd have digitally resculpted the Thawk and cut tools, rather than making resin molds and such.

Well now your'e just moving the goalposts.

Still doesn't mean one isn't coming.

Again, I don't care either way. Just pointing this out.

Plastic, resin, Thunderhawk, Thunderfalconcougarbird, GW, FW, whatever....

 TalonZahn wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
This doesn't mean there isn't a plastic one coming.

Yes, it does. At least for the immediate, foreseeable future. If GW was going to sell plastic, they'd have digitally resculpted the Thawk and cut tools, rather than making resin molds and such.

Well now your'e just moving the goalposts.

Still doesn't mean one isn't coming.

Again, I don't care either way. Just pointing this out.

Plastic, resin, Thunderhawk, Thunderfalconcougarbird, GW, FW, whatever....

Yeah, can we just discuss the model itself at this point instead of who was right, who was wrong, and who the wargaming community is likely to try to lynch because of such a heinous breach of trust has been perpetrated?

Lol he is not moving goalposts because he said foreseeable future and not 'never', come on dude. They release a plastic t-hawk in 2039 are you gonna find him and pull the 'ha! Told you so!' card?

Come on guys I understand you want to stick to your points, but the 'prove a negative' defense doesn't improve your position. They aren't releasing a plastic t-hawk in the near future. It will be years and years until/if they do. Nothing you have said makes any kind of sense from a business or a marketing perspective, or vs the company's own history.

Dare to be brave and realize that though our 'evidence' is anecdotal, it is far more credible, logical and derived from established fact. Simply saying 'prove they won't release a plastic and resin at the same time!' is not a viable defense, clearly you come from the internet argument school (or maybe politics lol) and not actual debate teams

PS - another supporting anecdotal observation, can you imagine that you buy this new T-hawk from FW at 600-800 bucks and then GW release a near identical or even largely identical one in plastic for 200 2 weeks later? THINK ABOUT IT lol, it would be a fekking inexplicably predictable genuine PR disaster...

Hey Tom, take a chill and send me a PM so I can tell you what I really think.

I'm embarrassed your'e a BA player. I'm glad you were on a "real" debate team.

You have no proof that a plastic one isn't coming anytime soon. A resin release is not proof.

I said I don't care either way, and you have no proof either way. You are debating NOTHING because there is NOTHING to debate.

 TalonZahn wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
This doesn't mean there isn't a plastic one coming.

Yes, it does. At least for the immediate, foreseeable future. If GW was going to sell plastic, they'd have digitally resculpted the Thawk and cut tools, rather than making resin molds and such.

Well now your'e just moving the goalposts.

Oh, so you've got proof of a plastic Thawk, to be released imminently? Really?

Because if you don't know what "weren't able to immediate, foreseeable future" refers to, perhaps you shouldn't post nonsense about it.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
This doesn't mean there isn't a plastic one coming.

Yes, it does. At least for the immediate, foreseeable future. If GW was going to sell plastic, they'd have digitally resculpted the Thawk and cut tools, rather than making resin molds and such.

Well now your'e just moving the goalposts.

Oh, so you've got proof of a plastic Thawk, to be released imminently? Really?

Because if you don't know what "weren't able to immediate, foreseeable future" refers to, perhaps you shouldn't post nonsense about it.

That could mean 2 weeks to 10 years in GW timeframe.

Again, you and Tom should take your crapfest to another thread and discuss it there.

Start talking about the model.

I merely stated that a resin one doesn't mean proof a plastic one isn't coming.

You two chuckleheads took that and ran.

 TalonZahn wrote:
Hey Tom, take a chill and send me a PM so I can tell you what I really think.

I'm embarrassed your'e a BA player. I'm glad you were on a "real" debate team.

You have no proof that a plastic one isn't coming anytime soon. A resin release is not proof.

I said I don't care either way, and you have no proof either way. You are debating NOTHING because there is NOTHING to debate.

Oh boy lol... TalonZahn... I am so deeply sorry I embarrassed you by having BA. I have brought shame on our house! Or something. (Or, y'know, what a super odd thing to say??)

If your katra is centered again, I put the winky face on to show I was joking about 'internet argument school' for the most part, but the prove a negative defense is actually a really, really bad way to have a discussion. Don't take my word for it, look it up and learn, if you want. Or don't. you may encounter less push-back on your posits though.

Anyways! I'll drop it with you since you might tell me what you think in PM and that is very scary

Back OT - The design is better on the new Resin, but I feel leaving the sillouette mostly unchanged was a bit of a miss, a few more tweaks, to the body mainly, and I would have been much more impressed. Also, gun-pods rule. It is an improvement but not as much as I had hoped, though, other angles may be much cooler as per HHprospero.

Let's see, you said something foolish about a claimed plastic Thawk, and a couple people called you out on it. You doubled down, and are now calling names?

If you want to talk about the model, there first needs to be a plastic Thawk to talk about. I don't think you've got anything, so there's nothing to talk about. So once again, I challenge you to put up or shut up. What evidence or proof do you have of this plastic Thawk kit that you're wanting us to talk about? Go on, I'll wait.

As others have said, on a scale of Octo-Mom to Kate Upton, rumors of the Thunderhawk going from Resin to Plastic have reduced my interest level from Emily Blunt to Rosie O'Donnel.

Kronk has a sad.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Didn't they literally say that the last resin Thawk had been sold?

Yes and if we get the Thunderhawk II, the Mars-Pattern Thunderhawk, the Voss-Pattern Thunderhawk, the Thunderhawk B etc all that will have been true, it would also be true to say that at that time, on that day, the last Thunderhawk was sold, if they had no more Thunderhawks for sale...

The Lightning underwent a minor name change when it was redesigned, when the Baneblades were rereleased in plastic they made mention of the differences between them as differences between FW patterns, so there's precedence for it.

LOL Octo-Mom is the bottom of your scale??? Interesting...

Yeah honestly I think in this case they maybe should have shot down the ubiquitous plastic rumors MUCH sooner... they even contributed to it by making such a fuss over the 'last resin thawk ever sold! (until like a month from now)' annouce when they knew the plastic rumors were already swirling.

This new resin t-hawk is now a defacto disappointment unfortunately. A lesson for GW hopefully to manage expectations on something like this if they have the fore-warning they did.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Let's see, you said something foolish about a claimed plastic Thawk, and a couple people called you out on it. You doubled down, and are now calling names?

If you want to talk about the model, there first needs to be a plastic Thawk to talk about. I don't think you've got anything, so there's nothing to talk about. So once again, I challenge you to put up or shut up. What evidence or proof do you have of this plastic Thawk kit that you're wanting us to talk about? Go on, I'll wait.

Well, then get a mod to delete the thread, because the last 14 pages are about a model that doesn't exit.

I didn't say anything foolish. I said a coming resin model doesn't mean there won't be a plastic one. There are already several instances of plastic and resin model of the same things to prove this true.

You two are arguing that one wouldn't be released so quickly on the heels of the other. That can also be proven false by recent releases.

And dear Tom, the reason I said you can PM me, is so the thread can continue without your inane arguments. You decried my statements and said I lack proof, when you have the same issue with proof.

The facts are that plastics and resins of the same models currently exist. They have not come decades apart, and have actually come fairly close together in production terms.

So if anything, there's MORE evidence that a resin kit and plastic kit can exist at the same time for the same item.

Just because you two FEEL that they wouldn't do it, doesn't mean they won't.

They have.

Oh dear, that's disappointing. I thought this was a sure thing after the 'plastic Thunderhawk' box in GW's vid from a few weeks ago.
I suppose I should have probably paid more attention to the tongue-in-cheek nature of the video then...

FW can keep their resin monster though, thanks but no thanks!