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At least that's how they are being portrayed by the over use of their failed attempts to influence the actions of various Primarchs.

Dont read if you dont want to spoil The Primarchs, Butchers Nails, Fulgrim or Legion.




I know that Farseering isn't an exact art but it almost seems that they're interference has actually made the Heresy a hundred times worse. Dont get me wrong, I love all of the stories mentioned but I wish that every novel to feature the Eldar (a dying race) screwing up and throwing their lives needlessly in battles they cannot win.

That's because only SM are allowed to look good in BL novels (barring a very few)...

It seems to be a rule

If they come across as morons it's because just as the IoM has
severl different factions, so do Eldar;

The meeting with Eldrad and Horus came off as being more
an ambush with an Avatar present rather than a warning...I
mean what do expect a Primarch is going to do when you
sit there and tell him he's going to betray his beloved brothers
and then go on to kill his Dad? Talk sensibly? Especially Horus,
who HATED being told what he was/is/going to do. If they had
succeeded, the whole Heresay would'v been stopped cold in
it's tracks.

The Cabal sweet talking the Alpha Legion was a more subtle
attempt at trying to win the end-game verus the IoM, a long shot,
no doubt, but a worthy effort.

The Eldar tryied warning Ferrus Manus because of the connection to Fulgrum,
who was instramental in creating the Drop Site Massacre! The warning did seem
rather worthless in the end, since who the hell is gonna believe an Xenos over
thier family? Even if most of the Primarchs saw flaws in one another, they just
could not believe in betraying one another or the Big E for that matter.

Moreover, have you considered that perhaps the interference in trying to 'save'
certain Primarchs has more to do in setting up a situation where the Eldar come
out on top? I.E., survive? Because at the rate the IoM and the Crusade was going it
would've been only a matter of time before the Eldar would have been targeted, and against
the Primarch-Lead Legions, I don't believe that any army barring the Orks or Tyranids could
have stood much chance!

Bloody Adair wrote:If they come across as morons it's because just as the IoM has
severl different factions, so do Eldar;

The meeting with Eldrad and Horus came off as being more
an ambush with an Avatar present rather than a warning...I
mean what do expect a Primarch is going to do when you
sit there and tell him he's going to betray his beloved brothers
and then go on to kill his Dad? Talk sensibly? Especially Horus,
who HATED being told what he was/is/going to do. If they had
succeeded, the whole Heresay would'v been stopped cold in
it's tracks.

The Cabal sweet talking the Alpha Legion was a more subtle
attempt at trying to win the end-game verus the IoM, a long shot,
no doubt, but a worthy effort.

The Eldar tryied warning Ferrus Manus because of the connection to Fulgrum,
who was instramental in creating the Drop Site Massacre! The warning did seem
rather worthless in the end, since who the hell is gonna believe an Xenos over
thier family? Even if most of the Primarchs saw flaws in one another, they just
could not believe in betraying one another or the Big E for that matter.

Moreover, have you considered that perhaps the interference in trying to 'save'
certain Primarchs has more to do in setting up a situation where the Eldar come
out on top? I.E., survive? Because at the rate the IoM and the Crusade was going it
would've been only a matter of time before the Eldar would have been targeted, and against
the Primarch-Lead Legions, I don't believe that any army barring the Orks or Tyranids could
have stood much chance!

Quoted For Truth.

Here I though almost every one in the heresy era was a major moron.

Mostly arrogant and donkey-caves more then morons.

The Eldars tactic of trying to convince Primarchs is rather dubious, but they are key players in the Heresy so would be a person of interest.

It's about self preservation with the Eldar, they also don't want to see Chaos infect the whole Universe.

At least Eldrad didn't try to trap Fulgrim like the other Eldar did with Ferrus and Alpharius, that is going to get the Primarch on your side isn't it, especially someone like Ferrus

The Eldar were also in a pretty bad state, seeing as their Empire had just collapsed and most of them were either dead or running scared. Maybe they were testing the IOM, seeing how far it could bend before it bbroke

I told everybody years ago that Eldar are biggest idiots in the galaxy...

DIRPS

chaos 1
elder 0

Anyone with a lick of sense would have just killed Horus without talking to him before hand.

You think the Eldar would have learned by now that their meddlings in the future end up with the future happening anyway, if anything their forsight causes it.

They just all need to go to the Maiden worlds and stop mukkin about in other people's business. maybe start making more Eldar

Bloody Adair wrote:If they come across as morons it's because just as the IoM has
severl different factions, so do Eldar;

The meeting with Eldrad and Horus came off as being more
an ambush with an Avatar present rather than a warning...I
mean what do expect a Primarch is going to do when you
sit there and tell him he's going to betray his beloved brothers
and then go on to kill his Dad? Talk sensibly? Especially Horus,
who HATED being told what he was/is/going to do. If they had
succeeded, the whole Heresay would'v been stopped cold in
it's tracks.

The Cabal sweet talking the Alpha Legion was a more subtle
attempt at trying to win the end-game verus the IoM, a long shot,
no doubt, but a worthy effort.

The Eldar tryied warning Ferrus Manus because of the connection to Fulgrum,
who was instramental in creating the Drop Site Massacre! The warning did seem
rather worthless in the end, since who the hell is gonna believe an Xenos over
thier family? Even if most of the Primarchs saw flaws in one another, they just
could not believe in betraying one another or the Big E for that matter.

Moreover, have you considered that perhaps the interference in trying to 'save'
certain Primarchs has more to do in setting up a situation where the Eldar come
out on top? I.E., survive? Because at the rate the IoM and the Crusade was going it
would've been only a matter of time before the Eldar would have been targeted, and against
the Primarch-Lead Legions, I don't believe that any army barring the Orks or Tyranids could
have stood much chance!

Bloody Adair hit it right on the spot: the Eldar did what they did to protect themselves. No one else. They couldn't care less if the Imperium crumbled, it was the fact it was Chaos which was going to cause it to crumble, their first goal was their own survival.

Iranna.

Because, at the time, everything was going according to plan...

Why do people trust Eldar visions? They foretell the future and Fate. Guess who deals with magic and Fate? Tzeentch, that's who, the motherfething Architect of Fate. He shows them what he wants to show them, knowing that they'll go mucking about in this direction or another, which ensures that his plans continue to mature along the paths he's designed for them.

Psienesis wrote:Because, at the time, everything was going according to plan...

Why do people trust Eldar visions? They foretell the future and Fate. Guess who deals with magic and Fate? Tzeentch, that's who, the motherfething Architect of Fate. He shows them what he wants to show them, knowing that they'll go mucking about in this direction or another, which ensures that his plans continue to mature along the paths he's designed for them.

You forget however, that Tzeentch cannot see all the strands of fate concerning the future, there are too many for even he to see. Therefore, it is entirely possible, and indeed probable, that many of the prophecies of Farseers go unnoticed by Tzeentch.

Iranna.

Consider: all we see in the Horus Heresy novels are the parts of the Eldar plans that the humans see. If they made some apparent blunder and screwed up the Horus Heresy worse than it was, perhaps that was their goal? Think: if the Eldar have reason to believe that the Emperor and Humanity would turn on them after unifying the galaxy, isn't it in their interest to screw up the Emperor's attempts to unify the galaxy by prodding Humanity into a big frakking civil war? The Eldar don't much care about what happens to Humanity as long as they stay in one piece, if tipping the Imperium into the Heresy kept them intact they'd jump at the chance.

Yet why did they not ettempt to sabotage/destroy/damage the Emperor's children more? Especially once they had actually fallen to the embrace of Slaanesh? Surly denying Slaanesh his own legion of crazy sensation crazy killers would have benifited them as Slaanesh kinda has a really bad Eldar Soul habit .

They could have stopped the HH... how dumb is that?, they could have seriously weakened Chaos if they stopped it.


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Its not just heresy, its DOUBLE heresy!

I wouldn't call the Heresy Era Eldar morons, just vastly more inexperienced in matters of the galaxy compared to how they are 10,000 years later. It hadn't been all that long since the Fall, and they're still coping with that, nevermind trying to start playing precog games against Chaos.

Psienesis wrote:Because, at the time, everything was going according to plan...

Why do people trust Eldar visions? They foretell the future and Fate. Guess who deals with magic and Fate? Tzeentch, that's who, the motherfething Architect of Fate. He shows them what he wants to show them, knowing that they'll go mucking about in this direction or another, which ensures that his plans continue to mature along the paths he's designed for them.

It doesn't work that way. The Farseer's runes mask their presence in the Warp. Tzeentch can't see what they're up to.

The problem with the Eldar is their perception of time. Time for them is a line with branching paths.

Time is, in fact, a great big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimey... Stuff.

All has progressed according to plan.

Just because you humans cannot comprehend the complexities and nuances of our actions, does not mean they are without purpose.

Because Eldar can see through lines of time, not through plot armour.

This is what happens when you try to author a dramatic series about events everyone already knows about. As 40k fans we already know the conclusions of most/all of these scenarios so its simple for us to see how it could have turned out different.

This effect was also applied to Loken in the first few HH novels. As great a character as Loken was, I was furious with him on the multiple occasions when acting on his suspicions or even letting his suspicions be known could have avoided Horus' downfall.

I just have to agree by saying the elder were pretty much a main cause in the starting of the Heresy, hum saying that just now made me think maby the good lord of change had his tendrils inside the Eldar and they just did not know it.