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A friend and myself weer talking about rules last ngiht and came to an impasse on a couple of rules, hopefully you guys can help:

**Assault ramp allows unit to disembark and charge - does this mean a Raider can move 12" and the unit can then charge out?
**Similarly - units can charge out of an open topped vehicle. They can disembark from an open topped vehicle after it moves 12" - can the unit therefore move 12" in an open topped vehicle, disembark and charge?

Finally

**an open topped vehicle moves 12". Normally all models inside can shoot out but the vehicle counts as moving. If the vehicle moves 12" can anyone still shoot out (obviously not heavy weapons, but assault weapons)?

1) Yes
2) Yes
3) No, passengers can only shoot if the vehicle moves 6" or less

1) Good
2) Good
3) Doh.

Are these points mentioned in the rulebook? I only ask coz he will demand examples and justifications. Obviousl not aksing for direct quotes but a rough location in the rulebook woudl be a big help as i dont have one at work.

cheers.

yeah here is a couple of funny ones i have been playing wrong for years.. seriously

Roads: i thought they allowed a 6" extra move and only counted as moveing the speed you choose (combat or cruising) turns out they only work for cruising lol

Ord weapons: i thought you checked range then placed templat, seems you actually place template then check range, if its in, woot, if not, shot auto missed and nothing happens lol

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes, you can fire assault weapons. As long as the weapon does not require the unit/model or whatever it may be to remain stationary to fire. Though I do believe units with relentless may still fire weapons normaly from an open topped vehicle as long as it has moved 6" or less.

I only foudn out yesterday i have been playign my CCB wrong. I was moving it Flat out at 18" rather than the 24" for a Fast Skimmer.

no wonder they never perform!

Yes, these points are mentioned int he rulesbook. Assault vehicle rule states you may disembark and assault after the vehicle has moved. Exception would be flat out, where you cannot (usually) disembark

Open topped is exactly the same

The rules for firing out of vehicles states you can only fire if the vehicle moves 6" or less.

1) Assuming you mean Land Raider not Raider...those are two very different things. Answer is still Yes.
2) Yes
3) No and Yes. If you stay inside then no, once you go over 6" then you cannot fire. A lot of DE players get that one wrong since they have rules that let them shoot everything once they have moved 12". The difference is that rule applies only to the vehicle not the passengers. Now if you disembark after moving 12" (which you can do due to being open topped) then yes you can fire but count as having moved.

Yup, as metioned on everything else, also in you move any vehicle crusing speed or less you can always get out and shoot, just not always be able to assault. Your raider can move 12, drop guys outside, they can all shoot, and still assault due to open topped.

Sorry, for Raider read Land Raider. I wasn't clear enough.

Page references:

1) C:SM Page 81, cross-referenced with BRB page 67, disembarking first bullet point.(BRB has general rule, C:SM has a special rule that make exemption from the general rule)

2) BRB page 70, almost the exact center of the Open-topped transports paragraph(again cross-reference with page 67).

3) BRB page 66, fire points, cross-referenced with Page 70 Open-topped transports. The open topped rules explain that the whole hull is the fire point but that is the only part of the fire points rule that it changes.

Ah, of course. Look at the codex for specific rules.

Thanks again everyone.

1. Yes, assuming the unit disembarks in the movement phase, they can then assault in the assault phase. They cannot remain embarked and then assault directly out of the vehicle.