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Hey guys. Yeah, I was going to start an IG army but started seriously looking at FoW and decided it looked way better than a third 40k army. So I found the ONE local player, and we've decided to do late war, he's got some Germans, Americans and British, and we're probably going to do a Western Europe theme. So I struggled for a while with what I wanted to start, and narrowed it down to a Panzerkompanie, a Panzergrenadier Kompanie or a Soviet tank company. I think I want to do the Panzergrenadier, so here's a list I wrote up using Earth & Steel (I'll be ordering models from Old Glory sometime this week I think):

Gepanzerte SS-Panzergrenadierkompanie (1000):
Company HQ, 2x Panzerfaust SMG, Panzerschreck, 3x Sdkfz 251/1s 140
3x Panzergrenadiers, Command Panzerfaust SMG, 6x MG, 4x Sdkfz 251/1s 270
3x Panzergrenadiers, Command Panzerfaust SMG, 6x MG, 4x Sdkfz 251/1s 270
1x Mortar Section, Command SMG, Sdkfz 251/1, Observer Rifle, Kubelwagen, 2x Sdkfz 251/2 110
3x Panzer IV Hs 325
Total: 1005 (970 if I cut out the Panzerschreck)

So is this a good choice for a beginner (the other guy's a beginner too, he tried to bring FoW to our LGS and it didn't work, so he was super excited when I called him about it)? Does this army list look ok?

I also figured out just how much this would cost, and the numbers are rather acceptable:

From Your list I am guessing that You don't want Panzergrenadier Kompanie, but rather Gepanzerte Panzergrenadier Kompanie.
I'd suggest You looking at the Grey Wolf lists (available on easyarmy.com for 2 USD IIRC) - the points are a bit cheaper and the version is more up to date with Version 3 rules.
You can really do this much cheaper by using excellent 251/1 halftracks from the Plastic Soldier Company (~ 15-16 pounds for a box of five). They also make Panzer IV at the same price. In July they are planning the 251/1 conversion set, which will allow You to bring 251/2s, and they just released the German Late War infantry kit with 8mm mortars, panzershrecks/fausts and HMG.
Btw, the Heavy Gepanzerte Platoon from both Grey Wolf and Version 3 Core book gives an option to field HQ in 251/1, Observer team in Kubelwagen, 2 251/1 Mortar halftracks and Heavy Machine Gun teams + 251/1 halftracks.

Also, SS list is pretty expensive in points (the cost of Fearless Vets) - the Heer version is cheaper and allows You to field more. Feel free to PM me, since I recently went through the same list-building and know most of the pros/cons, as well as options for alternative miniatures.

Yes, I did mean Gepanzerte.

Can I use just the Easy Army Grey Wolf, since I don't have the book? I mean, I won't be missing out on any special rules for anything?

Also, I'm not sure that PSC is all that much cheaper if at all, considering I'm in Alaska, and currency conversion and all that.

I was told that SS is better for mech companies than Heer. Are there any advantages or situations where SS would be better?

As far as I know Maelstrom Games will ship worldwide for free as long as Your order exceeds 20 GPB (which is two boxes of PSC products).

Yes You can use easyarmy.com - it is essentially an armybuilder type of page for FoW - all special rules are in the Rulebook (either the big bundle or the small softcover). You are mainly loosing out the historical parts, maps, photos etc.

Although they appear to be similar, SS and Heer are very different lists with different playstyles - SS are sort of difficult-to-shift, immovable veterans with lots and lots of machineguns/heavymachineguns. Heer is more mobile and IMO more towards the classic mech company (fast with their halftracks, but need support from tanks and anti-air). Both need some boost in anti-tank sections.

Ah, well, that is handy. I'm not sure yet how much shipping will be from the War Web, as I had to contact the owner about it, but I think it would probably break pretty much even. Still, it's certainly a thought and something I should look at.

That's great that it still works, that saves me a lot of money. I'll definitely look at using Grey Wolf then, as the history stuff is interesting but not worth $50.

Ok, so you would recommend Heer. Well, I'll try rewriting it with Grey Wolf Heer. It's late tonight though, so I won't be doing it now.

Easy army also includes unit specific special rules on the OOB printout, though you don't have any units that would require this.

The list is fine, it is essentially what I would chose as the core of a Gepanzert Panzergren force.

In Grey wolf this list costs 1055 points for fearless veteran and 855 for fearless trained. I would stick to Veteran troops if you are just starting out.

the main difference between SS and Heer is that SS troops are fearless (the pass morale tests on a 3+) while Heer troops are confident (4+) and some SS lists can sacrifce teams for a re-roll in assaults. This makes SS troops more reliable when underfire. SS troops also have better support options and unit upgrades (some lists can upgrade MG teams to panzerfaust MG teams for example). This all costs though and I don't think that they are worth the extra expense so I prefer Heer troops.

Dragearen wrote:Ah, well, that is handy. I'm not sure yet how much shipping will be from the War Web, as I had to contact the owner about it, but I think it would probably break pretty much even. Still, it's certainly a thought and something I should look at.

That's great that it still works, that saves me a lot of money. I'll definitely look at using Grey Wolf then, as the history stuff is interesting but not worth $50.

Ok, so you would recommend Heer. Well, I'll try rewriting it with Grey Wolf Heer. It's late tonight though, so I won't be doing it now.

Check out the War Store for PSC, they usually have them on sale and they are in the states, they should also carry BF stuff as well as other 3rd party 15mm items.

thewarstore.com

To keep it short - with careful planning and timely purchases You can make the GepPanzergrenadiers on the cheap, although they are ridicoulusly expensive, when buying only BF products.

I have several of the PSC halftracks and other than the machine guns, they are quite nice and considerably cheaper than the metal/resin ones from BF. I also get mine from The War Store, which is based in the US.

Palindrome wrote:Easy army also includes unit specific special rules on the OOB printout, though you don't have any units that would require this.

The list is fine, it is essentially what I would chose as the core of a Gepanzert Panzergren force.

In Grey wolf this list costs 1055 points for fearless veteran and 855 for fearless trained. I would stick to Veteran troops if you are just starting out.

the main difference between SS and Heer is that SS troops are fearless (the pass morale tests on a 3+) while Heer troops are confident (4+) and some SS lists can sacrifce teams for a re-roll in assaults. This makes SS troops more reliable when underfire. SS troops also have better support options and unit upgrades (some lists can upgrade MG teams to panzerfaust MG teams for example). This all costs though and I don't think that they are worth the extra expense so I prefer Heer troops.

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I would also like to say not to be afriad of trying out the fearless trained compaines WRT to the SS. The points saved can really add to unit purchases and upgrades. And they are still as tough as nails.

CainTheHunter wrote:To keep it short - with careful planning and timely purchases You can make the GepPanzergrenadiers on the cheap, although they are ridicoulusly expensive, when buying only BF products.

I'm not planning to buy anything from BF - I just don't have the money available. Otherwise I would.

I revised my list, using Heer and Grey Wolf. What do you think:

Command Platoon, 2x Panzerknacker, 2x Sdkfz 251/1
Panzergrenadier Platoon, Panzerfaust, 6x MG, 4x Sdkfz 251/1
Panzergrenadier Platoon, Panzerfaust, 6x MG, 4x Sdkfz 251/1
Heavy Platoon, Command SMG, Sdkfz 251/1, Observer, Kubelwagen, 2x Sdkfz 251/2
Cannon Platoon, 2x Sdkfz 251/9
Panzer Platoon, 3x StuG

Also, another option would be to either buy Point of Contact's 5 Tiger box for $20, and learn the rules with a Schwere Panzer list, or to just buy the infantry squads in this list, as well as maybe some of the tanks, then see if I want to add the halftracks later on. Thoughts? It looks like PoC also sells 251/1Cs for $20 (for 5). And all of their models are pre-painted.