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Hey guys,

Think I'm gonna pick up a Stormtalon the weekend and was wondering. My army is Dark Angels. Would this be classed as a Raven-wing vehicle in black? or a regular Green jobby?

Cheers,

Stepee

Since it's your model, you can paint it any way you want!

However, my thinking is it should not be Raven Wing since, by canon, the Raven Wing have always been mounted either on Bikes or in Speeders to be a fast Scouting force. I would not consider the Talon to be a Speeder in any sense - it is a completely different machine.

In a similar vein (and though you did not ask) I do not believe it should be painted as Death Wing, since those Brothers are specialists in the use of Terminator Armor, not air-craft.

Therefor, if I were painting your Talon, it would be in the traditional Green of standard Brethren. It would be available to assist either of the Wings when required, but would be associated with companies 3 - 9 only.

That is my opinion.

I would say Ravenwing, if it was a transport craft then it would be part of the other companies but its not, it would imo be used for supporting scouting detachments and therefore be Ravenwing.

First thing is to make sure you can use one in your army unless you just want to paint one up.

Then I would say paint it the same color as the Ravenwing. Since their speeders and bikes are black, it would fit in nicely.

Gundor wrote:First thing is to make sure you can use one in your army unless you just want to paint one up.

Then I would say paint it the same color as the Ravenwing. Since their speeders and bikes are black, it would fit in nicely.

The Storm Talon is only for Codex Space Marines unfortunately

Marshall Ragnar wrote:

Gundor wrote:First thing is to make sure you can use one in your army unless you just want to paint one up.

Then I would say paint it the same color as the Ravenwing. Since their speeders and bikes are black, it would fit in nicely.

The Storm Talon is only for Codex Space Marines unfortunately

I am raging that I can't find a link to back me up, but from what I recall all the Marine 'dexes bar GKs can take them.

It's an attack craft, not a transport, so I'd go with Ravenwing

The WD says that it is an official entry for the Space Marine Codex only. Sorry.

Kroothawk wrote:The WD says that it is an official entry for the Space Marine Codex only. Sorry.

Whilst that's a valid point, I'd say it's moot considering the DA codex is still in need of updating. Of course, at the moment you're perfectly correct from a tournament play point-of-view.

As with all things gaming-wise, as long as your opponent agrees (basement games etc) then enjoy - after all it's your collection.

Reaper6 wrote:As with all things gaming-wise, as long as your opponent agrees (basement games etc) then enjoy - after all it's your collection.

I agree, I really want that for my Space Wolves.

You guys are saying its for Space Marine codex only, but if you think about it, all chapters follow the SM codex, that is the basic rules all chapters use, then they add to it to make there own codex. Nothing wrong with using stuff from other Chapters to better your fighting force, IMO. I'm making up my own chapter, and I'm using what I can to make a versatile force, so I grabbed a stormraven, and I'll probably get a Storm Talon as well.

Tbh I dont think many players will be happy with you pulling stuff out of different books (I know theyre technically the same blah de blah) but you probably wil get players who will do nothing but try to stop you.

Kroothawk wrote:The WD says that it is an official entry for the Space Marine Codex only. Sorry.

Who cares? Buy it anyway and paint it up. If the Crusader became available to every other chapter, I'm pretty sure this will be available in the next Dark Angels codex.


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DarkKnights44 wrote:You guys are saying its for Space Marine codex only, but if you think about it, all chapters follow the SM codex, that is the basic rules all chapters use, then they add to it to make there own codex. Nothing wrong with using stuff from other Chapters to better your fighting force, IMO. I'm making up my own chapter, and I'm using what I can to make a versatile force, so I grabbed a stormraven, and I'll probably get a Storm Talon as well.

And a classic example of confusing the real world with the fluff...

If you want to make a Dark Angel-y looking army without the codex, fine. Just don't call it Dark Angels. Players get really annoyed when people cherry-pick their rules. "Ooh, can I have genestealers with my Ultrasmurf army?"

You reference the Crusader, as all marines eventually got it, but not every army got the Stormraven, nor the Baal Predator, etc, etc.

In home games, sure, throw a Storm Talon in your Dark Angels, but expect resistance in normal games and an outright 'No' in tourney games.

I would paint in the Ravenwing colours personally.

Also, I, as an opponent, would have no issue with you using it in a game alongside the DA 'dex.

TBH I don't really see the difference, and perhaps when the release a new edition the Stormtalon may be included anyway.

NoBaconz4You wrote:I would paint in the Ravenwing colours personally.

Also, I, as an opponent, would have no issue with you using it in a game alongside the DA 'dex.

TBH I don't really see the difference, and perhaps when the release a new edition the Stormtalon may be included anyway.

Yeah my theory is the future dexes will have the storm talon in them already.

Just buy the Talon and use Codex SM rules for your army.. DA are space marines after all.

If that were the case, then they would have added it to the other codices at the same time as they did Codex Space Marines. Face it, the fact is GW is actually making different units for different Space Marine chapters. No longer is the only difference between them is their color.

Henners91 wrote:

Marshall Ragnar wrote:

Gundor wrote:First thing is to make sure you can use one in your army unless you just want to paint one up.

Then I would say paint it the same color as the Ravenwing. Since their speeders and bikes are black, it would fit in nicely.

The Storm Talon is only for Codex Space Marines unfortunately

I am raging that I can't find a link to back me up, but from what I recall all the Marine 'dexes bar GKs can take them.

GW has it up only for the C: SM Army on the 40k Army Tab.

Joyous_Oblivion wrote:You reference the Crusader, as all marines eventually got it, but not every army got the Stormraven, nor the Baal Predator, etc, etc.

In home games, sure, throw a Storm Talon in your Dark Angels, but expect resistance in normal games and an outright 'No' in tourney games.

That's because only two Space Marine codexes have been made since the Stormraven was created.

The DA codex is rubbish for a normal marine army though. Its great for the Ravenwing and DEathwing specialist armies, but any force primarily made up of power armour troops may as well use the standard Marine codex.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Joyous_Oblivion wrote:You reference the Crusader, as all marines eventually got it, but not every army got the Stormraven, nor the Baal Predator, etc, etc.

In home games, sure, throw a Storm Talon in your Dark Angels, but expect resistance in normal games and an outright 'No' in tourney games.

That's because only two Space Marine codexes have been made since the Stormraven was created.

Hangon, I thought the Stormraven had a WD article allowing other chapters to use it?

Just an aside, an one point a Dark Angels force could have normal bikers and Ravenwing bikers, and the same for speeders. You had to paint some green and some black. They got rid of the distinction in the new book.

While I'd have no problem letting someone use one in their force, I would have a problem playing against someone who made their own codex up with thunderwolves and baal predators....

Thanks for the advice folks. I'm not a gamer, so that side of things is not a problem.....I'm gonna go with a Ravenwing colour scheme, as I have plenty of bitz to dress it up with.

GW may well have something DA specific up their sleeves for the future.