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So in a game earlier, i had this situation.
Dreadnought being shot by a ML from a tact squad. But there was a drop pod in between.
My opponent said you can shoot through open topped vehicles because the rules allow it.
This confused me, i don't ever remember this in the BRB but i allowed it.
Is this allowed or not?
But like i said, I dont remember this.

TLOS.

But wouldnt the Drop pod obscure most of it?

Yes because you can see through the drop pod, but he should of given you a cover save for it.

Sure it would obscure it. If the shot goes through a Drop Pod, you should get a cover save for it. At least that's the way we do it.

If you can see it, you can shoot it. If it's a vehicle, and half or more of the armor facing the firer is shooting at is physically hidden from view, it gets a cover save. Doesn't matter if what's obscuring it is terrain or a unit.

Jimsolo wrote:Sure it would obscure it. If the shot goes through a Drop Pod, you should get a cover save for it. At least that's the way we do it.

Uhhh, this is not true. It only counts as obscured if 50% or more of the model is out of LOS. If the firer can clearly see the dreadnought through the drop pod and if less than 50% of the dread is blocked from LOS, then there is no save.

It is entirely possible that there is no save allowed.

Nungunz wrote:

Jimsolo wrote:Sure it would obscure it. If the shot goes through a Drop Pod, you should get a cover save for it. At least that's the way we do it.

Uhhh, this is not true. It only counts as obscured if 50% or more of the model is out of LOS. If the firer can clearly see the dreadnought through the drop pod and if less than 50% of the dread is blocked from LOS, then there is no save.

It is entirely possible that there is no save allowed.

Get a drop pod. Put it on a table. Put a dreadnought behind the drop pod. Get a tac Marine with a ML, and put it so that the DP is between the marine and the Dreadnought. Look through the DP, and tell me how much of a save the Dreadnought gets.

McNinja wrote:

Nungunz wrote:

Jimsolo wrote:Sure it would obscure it. If the shot goes through a Drop Pod, you should get a cover save for it. At least that's the way we do it.

Uhhh, this is not true. It only counts as obscured if 50% or more of the model is out of LOS. If the firer can clearly see the dreadnought through the drop pod and if less than 50% of the dread is blocked from LOS, then there is no save.

It is entirely possible that there is no save allowed.

Get a drop pod. Put it on a table. Put a dreadnought behind the drop pod. Get a tac Marine with a ML, and put it so that the DP is between the marine and the Dreadnought. Look through the DP, and tell me how much of a save the Dreadnought gets.

You are missing the point. It is easier to quote the rules than to concoct a scenario. After all, what if the drop pod has none of the internal gear, the marine is standing right next to it and the dreadnought is approx 1-2 feet away? Chances are almost none of the dread will be obscured from the firer's perspective. Much easier to just quote the rules.

Related question, so can vehicle guns have blocked line of sight from their own vehicles? The design of the drop pod is such that it's own frame can get in the way of it's guns, but I know other vehicles that do so as well.


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erikwfg wrote:Related question, so can vehicle guns have blocked line of sight from their own vehicles? The design of the drop pod is such that it's own frame can get in the way of it's guns, but I know other vehicles that do so as well.

I shouldn't have asked because this thread doesn't seem to be solved.

Doesn't shooting through a unit give a save even if if the models don't physically obscure LOS? So if firing between 2 marines with unblocked LOS gets it, shouldn't firing through a single model be the same?

erikwfg wrote:Doesn't shooting through a unit give a save even if if the models don't physically obscure LOS? So if firing between 2 marines with unblocked LOS gets it, shouldn't firing through a single model be the same?

Not against vehicles.

I was going with the "Shooting through a unit provides a cover save" to justify it, but that's just me. In addition, I and everyone I play with leave the interior gubbins out of our Drop Pods. Since I am a good sport and don't want to be accused of modeling for advantage, I just default to always allowing my opponent a cover save if I shot through my own Pods.

erikwfg wrote:Related question, so can vehicle guns have blocked line of sight from their own vehicles? The design of the drop pod is such that it's own frame can get in the way of it's guns, but I know other vehicles that do so as well.

Absolutely. This one is right in one of the FAQs. The example given is the turret on a Razorback blocking part of the fire arc of its own pintel-mounted Storm Bolter, which would otherwise have a 360 arc.

Thanks. So in conclusion, what we've learned today is;
1) vehicles gain cover if they are half covered, even if that means shooting through units, drop pods, and area terrain (aka True Line of Sight rule)
2) units (and I assume vehicle units) don't block LOS to their own unit, but in the case of individual vehicle models they can actually block LOS of their own guns