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Recently, my flgs suddenly uproared whfb. Most of them are 40k players (including me) turning into fantasy.We're planning on everyone having a 500pt army (legal of course). Most of them got an army picked out already but I'm having a trouble picking one....

Daemons or Warriors?

I know warriors are extremely great at ccw and have nasty anti magic items. While most daemons already have a 5+ ward save that my friends keep telling me "You have that for free?!". I can't really decide on which to pick.
Help?

I would go with Warriors of Chaos.

With WoC you can use a lot more decent units that are fun to use and play around with marks. And with decent I mean stuff like Chaos Chariots, Chaos Ogres, Trolls etc. They are fun to use and, of course, pretty decent.
Let's not forget that Warriors are amazing and their price is balanced while Marauders are really good as well (in fact, they are too good because of their cheap points!)

DoC are kinda the opposite, they have some REALLY bad units that cost way too much and they have some REALLY strong units that are too cheap so you are kinda forced into using some specific models.

All in all I think you will find WoC more fun, but then again there are those who will disagree with me, and I'm just sharing my opinion.

I usually go with which one just appeals more. Both have their upsides, both have their downsides. Fantasy over all is really balanced (with just a few very old army books being under powered and needing an update, neither of which are your choice above.)
Something to keep in mind however, is it looks like Warriors might be the next army to get a new book, sometime in October I believe.

Daemons have a cross over to 40k, so it would be better to choose Warriors if you want something distinct.

Probably going daemons.......
I could just magnetize the bases and boom I have a 40k army for free. Our BT player might be going warriors and I like daemonettes ALOT. I'll go for the unique then

Just put them on the circle bases and when they are in the movement tray they will be ranked up, for some of the models like skrimishers like flamers or single large models like fiends and crushers just magnetize the round base to a square base and you should be good.

I'd suggest just gluing them to the square bases, it it important that they can rank up in fantasy but no one will care if they are not on circles in 40k.

I prefer them to be together. Splitting them up was silly.

jonolikespie wrote:I'd suggest just gluing them to the square bases, it it important that they can rank up in fantasy but no one will care if they are not on circles in 40k.

It doesn't matter if they are circles while they are in movement tray, they take the same space. At first i magnetized ALL my daemons, but then realized the circles work good for the rank-and-file units. Still heroes,skirmishers, monsters and such should be magnetized.

Edit: oh yeah, daemons suck in 40k (without proper units) and are bit overpowered in FB (well bloodletters are heh)), but still are very fun to play.

It depends what you want:
WoC has only got the Hellcannon for shooting but has some of the most powerful core and special choices I know. They also have powerful mages in the form of Tzeench and Slaanesh wizards (Don't quote me on Slaanesh) and can't you have daemons in your army as well? They mainly are a CC army.
Daemons however have a very magic based feel, with Khorne being combat, Tzeench being magic and Slaanesh being the hard hitters. I have no clue about Nurgle, but I guess they just spit in the enemies face and the enemy convulses? anyway, they are all rounders kind of, mainly though magic and combat.

Anfauglir wrote:I prefer them to be together. Splitting them up was silly.

Me too.

daemons in 8th edition are mid to upper mid teir army in 8th edition. they got nerfed in the FAQ and in the transition to 8th from 7th. most competitive builds i seen use a great unclean one with one 30 plaguebearer unit 30 blood letter unit and 20 horror unit with heralds for each. then two 5 flamer units and two 5 harpy units. daemonattes are the worst out of all the core choices so they dont see alot of play . the herald adds ASF to the unit it is in but it still doesnt help the netts strength 3 toughness of 3. khorne herald adds hatred for his blood letter unit. tzeentch herald adds +1 ward save for horrors and nurgle herald adds poison attacks to unit. the great unclean one is the best of all the greater daemons just because he is beast in combat and has a much higher survivability with 10 wounds. so he can survive a couple cannonball hits if you get lucky. plus you can equip the unclean one with a balesword which will make your enemies cry. daemons have no armor so they only have a 5+ ward save base. the only good special unit is the flesh hounds but they die pretty easy as they are toughness 3. the other good rare unit that is sometimes used is blood crushers. flamers are hands down top 2 best shooting units in the game rivaling outriders.

WoC are middle upper to top tier army based on how you have it. most people use chaos warriors of khorne with halbreds as there hammer unit with tzeentch warriors with shields as there anvil. marauders are great for points value. gw with khorne and you get 6 point combat monsters with ws4 str5 and 2 attacks a peice. go with tzeentch and LA and SH and you get a 5+AS and a 6+/5+ if your in CC ward save. the magic is great for each god. obviously khorne cant cast magic. of the marks of the gods i would say khorne and tzeench is the best followed by nurgle and slannesh rounding it out in the bottom. khorne gives frenzy and immune to psych, tzeentch a +1 to cast for casters and +1 ward save 6 if you dont have one. nurgle gives -1 to shoot the unit or -1 ws in hand to hand. slannesh just gives immune to psych. marauder horseman and warhounds are the other core choices and do well at redirecting. special choices have some great units with chariots and ogres that can take the marks an have chaos armor! ofcourse the ever stalwart chaos knights and the chaos chosen. rare includes shaggots gians and spawn but hellcannons are warshrines are the best rares. hellcannons provide the only shooting the army has and warshrines help your units become tough.

hope that helps you out. i play warriors so im biased to say warriors .

m00ndragon wrote:

A bunch of stuff

Sorry, some of what you said about Daemons is false. Some of it might be false, but I will have to wait until I check my book to clear those up.
1. What are Daemon harpies? (do you mean furies? If so, I'm pretty sure no one uses them)
2. I'm pretty sure that Nurgle Heralds give them regen? (I'll have to check)
3. Flesh hounds are t4. With two wounds, s5, move8, etc., they are amazing.


Anyways, most of your analysis was spot on. Flamers = one of the main reasons people complain about Daemons.

Furries are great redirectors, mangler squishers war machine hunters ect. I've been taking a unit of 5 lately. They fit the same role as a solo fiend, but a fiend is better in all ways except I can only have 2 :( and don't die to a single cannon ball.

Fair enough. (assuming that's what he meant by Harpies)

I tend to forget the benefits of redirection...

spyguyyoda wrote:

Sorry, some of what you said about Daemons is false. Some of it might be false, but I will have to wait until I check my book to clear those up.
1. What are Daemon harpies? (do you mean furies? If so, I'm pretty sure no one uses them)
2. I'm pretty sure that Nurgle Heralds give them regen? (I'll have to check)
3. Flesh hounds are t4. With two wounds, s5, move8, etc., they are amazing.


Anyways, most of your analysis was spot on. Flamers = one of the main reasons people complain about Daemons.

yea i ment furies, just knew it had something with an ies at the end. i got lazy with the nurgle herald and forgot about the regen. flesh hounds i was just trying to remember from memory. i knew they were kinda squishy but with khorne warriors with halbreds most things are.

on another note i forgot about that crazy good banner daemon bsb's can take. great icon of despair.... i hate that banner. that banner is the reason and ONLY reason why i have lost games to daemons...freaking minus 2 leadership...