| Author |
Message |
 |
|
|
|
|
Advert
|
Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
- No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
- Times and dates in your local timezone.
- Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
- Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
- Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now. |
|
 |
2012/05/31 14:54:11
Subject: Necrons ever living and close combat
|
|
Fresh-Faced New User
|
Let's say I have an IC necron with ever living attached to a squad.
That squad is assaulted by an enemy unit, and the IC is killed.
The IC passes his ever living roll.
Would that IC be able to get back up out of base with the assaulting models, thus remaining with the squad, but no longer in base with enemy models? Using the 3" rule of course.
|
|
|
 |
|
2012/05/31 14:56:16
Subject: Re:Necrons ever living and close combat
|
|
Trazyn's Museum Curator
|
No. The rules state that if the squad the IC was is part of a combat, then the IC must fight in the combat when he gets up.
|
What I have
 ~4100
 ~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
|
|
|
|
|
2012/05/31 14:59:16
Subject: Necrons ever living and close combat
|
|
Sister Vastly Superior
|
What about an IC that gets swept in CC because they lost do they still get the ever living roll?
|
 4000pts
|
|
|
|
|
2012/05/31 15:21:03
Subject: Necrons ever living and close combat
|
|
Regular Dakkanaut
|
Spidey0804 wrote:What about an IC that gets swept in CC because they lost do they still get the ever living roll?
If they were down prior to getting swept, then yes. The ever-living token doesn't disappear, however if the character was still on the table when the unit was swept, then it would appear the character is dead, no reanimation protocol/ever living roll. Hope that gets fixed in 6e
|
DS:70S++G+MB-IPw40k10#+D++++A+/aWD-R+T(D)DM+ |
|
|
|
|
2012/05/31 15:46:28
Subject: Necrons ever living and close combat
|
|
Incorporating Wet-Blending
|
Tye_Informer wrote:Spidey0804 wrote:What about an IC that gets swept in CC because they lost do they still get the ever living roll?
If they were down prior to getting swept, then yes.
This is debatable.
|
Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
|
|
|
|
|
2012/05/31 16:34:19
Subject: Necrons ever living and close combat
|
|
Decrepit Dakkanaut
|
Lordhat wrote:Tye_Informer wrote:Spidey0804 wrote:What about an IC that gets swept in CC because they lost do they still get the ever living roll?
If they were down prior to getting swept, then yes.
This is debatable.
Not that debateable, given Sweeping Advance specifically tells you that the unit (including the IC) is dead, and cannot be rescued unless the rule specifically states so. EL/ RP do not say so, and only incredible linguistic gymnastics get even the glimmer of a possible argument that they get back up.
|
|
|
|
|
2012/05/31 17:25:02
Subject: Necrons ever living and close combat
|
|
Axis & Allies Player
Texas
|
I agree that it's not that arguable. EL counters aren't models and can't be affected by SA. If the unit is completely destroyed / removed from play, that doesn't have any permission to effect the counter, which is not part of the unit at the time of the sweeping advance - the sweeping advance happens before the EL test, and only after the EL test does the now revived character have rules about rejoining the unit.
|
|
|
|
|
2012/05/31 17:41:39
Subject: Necrons ever living and close combat
|
|
Incorporating Wet-Blending
|
nosferatu1001 wrote:Lordhat wrote:Tye_Informer wrote:Spidey0804 wrote:What about an IC that gets swept in CC because they lost do they still get the ever living roll?
If they were down prior to getting swept, then yes.
This is debatable.
Not that debateable, given Sweeping Advance specifically tells you that the unit (including the IC) is dead, and cannot be rescued unless the rule specifically states so. EL/ RP do not say so, and only incredible linguistic gymnastics get even the glimmer of a possible argument that they get back up.
jwolf wrote:I agree that it's not that arguable. EL counters aren't models and can't be affected by SA. If the unit is completely destroyed / removed from play, that doesn't have any permission to effect the counter, which is not part of the unit at the time of the sweeping advance - the sweeping advance happens before the EL test, and only after the EL test does the now revived character have rules about rejoining the unit.
Like I said, debatable.
|
Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
|
|
|
|
|
2012/05/31 17:58:42
Subject: Re:Necrons ever living and close combat
|
|
Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
|
Dear lord don't start this debate up again..
I'll just leave this 10page link-of-madness here.
That should cover all sides...
|
|
|
|
|
2012/05/31 18:02:41
Subject: Necrons ever living and close combat
|
|
Axis & Allies Player
Texas
|
I'll stop now.  Sometimes it is hard not to through stones in my glass house, though.
|
|
|
|
|
2012/05/31 19:25:13
Subject: Necrons ever living and close combat
|
|
Powerful Phoenix Lord
|
I just want to point out that Lordhat was saying was debatable was the EL model being killed prior to SA. Which I agree is debatable, but this is not the time (nor the place). Then again as this forum is for rules discussion, I guess this is the place, but definitely not the time.
|
Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
|
|
|
|
2012/05/31 19:47:52
Subject: Necrons ever living and close combat
|
|
Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
Texas
|
Happyjew wrote:I just want to point out that Lordhat was saying was debatable was the EL model being killed prior to SA. Which I agree is debatable, but this is not the time (nor the place). Then again as this forum is for rules discussion, I guess this is the place, but definitely not the time.
I'd just like to point out that jwolf debating the EL model being killed as a result of SA implies Happyjew's debate point that the death prior to SA is the only debateable point, is, well, debateable.
|
|
|
|
|
2012/05/31 19:59:24
Subject: Necrons ever living and close combat
|
|
Powerful Phoenix Lord
|
Randall Turner wrote:Happyjew wrote:I just want to point out that Lordhat was saying was debatable was the EL model being killed prior to SA. Which I agree is debatable, but this is not the time (nor the place). Then again as this forum is for rules discussion, I guess this is the place, but definitely not the time.
I'd just like to point out that jwolf debating the EL model being killed as a result of SA implies Happyjew's debate point that the death prior to SA is the only debateable point, is, well, debateable.
I would like to bring up the counter-point that Happyjew never said it was the only debatable rule regarding SA and EL. If Randall Turner wishes to debate what Happyjew said, well ,that is debatable. Of course it is also debatable whether or not this is getting out of hand.
|
Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
|
|
|
|
2012/05/31 20:01:49
Subject: Necrons ever living and close combat
|
|
The Hive Mind
|
Rigeld2 would like to point out that whatever point is debatable, the debate has already happened in another thread and doesn't really need to be re-hashed in this one. Randall Turner and Happyjew are absolutely welcomed to debate whatever and wherever they please, but Rigeld2 at least will opt to stay out of such silly debates.
|
My beautiful wife wrote:Trucks = Carnifex snack, Tanks = meals.
|
|
|
|
|
2012/06/04 16:46:42
Subject: Necrons ever living and close combat
|
|
Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
|
Lordhat wrote:nosferatu1001 wrote:Lordhat wrote:Tye_Informer wrote:Spidey0804 wrote:What about an IC that gets swept in CC because they lost do they still get the ever living roll?
If they were down prior to getting swept, then yes.
This is debatable.
Not that debateable, given Sweeping Advance specifically tells you that the unit (including the IC) is dead, and cannot be rescued unless the rule specifically states so. EL/ RP do not say so, and only incredible linguistic gymnastics get even the glimmer of a possible argument that they get back up.
jwolf wrote:I agree that it's not that arguable. EL counters aren't models and can't be affected by SA. If the unit is completely destroyed / removed from play, that doesn't have any permission to effect the counter, which is not part of the unit at the time of the sweeping advance - the sweeping advance happens before the EL test, and only after the EL test does the now revived character have rules about rejoining the unit.
Like I said, debatable.
I "Exalt" this post. =)
|
 2500 pts
Horst wrote:This is how trolling happens. A few cheeky posts are made. Then they get more insulting. Eventually, we revert to our primal animal state, hurling feces at each other while shreeking with glee.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
