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Is there any way to minimize the cost for a noob who's still studying and presently jobless ? I have money, that's clear, but since it's kinda hard to find someone who ain't asking for a full time employee, and that I have the gym and my loan for university to pay, it is hard to find money for W40k. Seriously, it would rahter be easier for me to just finish my Menoth army (50 pts), but I've always like the W40k universe, and I know I will regret it if I die before having the chance to assemble a World Eater army and to scream BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD while playing against another player.

Buying secondhand units is the way to go I think. If you've got bitz and stuff to trade you can make deals that way as well.

By secondhand, do you already assembled and painted units ?

Yeah, ebay would be a good start. The Swap Shop on here may also be useful for you. There isn't a good way, that I know of, to re-assemble models without risking breaking something important, but stripping paint is fairly easy to do.

Also, learn how to use plasticard, greenstuff, and a hobby knife. 40k has a lot of room for DIY work, from kitbashing and bitz ordering all the way to scratchbuilding. Of course, you'll need time to learn the skills, and you'll need time to apply them. If you're a person who has a lot more time than money (like me), it's the best way to go.

buy from ebay. ebay is a buyers market and you can routinely buy armies for around half price if not less. usually for unpainted armies your looking at about 100 bucks for every thousand points. if you want a painted 2000pt army you will probably spend 300+ depending on what army and how it is painted, usually maxing at 500 as long as its not painted by a golden demon winner or some studio.

you could also try other games miniatures. mantic makes the equivalent of imperial guard, orks, and squats for their game called warpath. they are true 28 mm so they are a bit smaller then 28mm heroric that GW uses. but the good thing about them they are prices about 50 % less. just not as many options for poses and customization. IMO i think they look fine but you will get the hardcore GW people who are like BLASPHEMY n such. as long as your buddies dont care about you using other minis then its fine. you cant use other games minis at a GW store though, they will ask you to stop or leave.

there is also the buy and sell forums on here and bartertown, BUT i personally dont trust bartertown because i dont trust trading with people i dont know, if you get what im saying. bartertown doesnt have the same protection for trading as buying and selling on ebay with paypal and ebay buyer and seller protections.

hope this helps you out.

Keep in mind that some people may look askance at you if you are always buying off of Ebay, especially if you play at a location that sells 40k merchandise. I own secondhand models, so I'm not throwing rocks, but there are those out there who take a very negative view of always buying castoff armies off the internet and then using the gaming space down at the local store and never dropping so much as a nickel there. I think a modicum of 'pay where you play' should be used, provided you play in a store location. If you play in a private location then definitely cruise the internet and find secondhand armies on the cheap.

Why don't you have a job?

As well as learning the skills of modeling greenstuff and ect. you can also buy bits online on the cheap. It's a bit like buying booster packs for magic, you're never really sure what exactly you'll get, but it can be some really decent stuff for really cheap.

Squash wrote:Why don't you have a job?

well, if he lives anywhere like where I live, you're competing with over 300 other people for just about every job that is made available regardless if it's temporary, seasonal, part time, or full time.

Squash wrote:Why don't you have a job?

Well, let's take a moment to explain this :

Currently in Quebec, the High school drop out is kinda the typical kind of person you find. 2 on 3 people is a high school drop out. Plus, we have a load of immigrants. I am currently studying full time at university. Soooo. If 2 on 3 people is a high school drop out with no perspectives of future and we have a load of immigrants, why the hell would a business owner or a store hires me part time when there are thousands of guys just begin to have full time and that are ready to sell their soul to work for the rest of their lives at place like Wal-mart or Sears ? I had a job recently, at Barbie's Restaurant. But even then, I have a student loan to pay at Scotia Bank, plus the Gym (hey, ain't because I live in a shat hole country I must be a pile of crap physically). The reason why I was able to have a job as a dish washer was simple : universities are currently on their biggest strike ever against the government (the biggest strike ever in Quebec history) because our prime minister is an a-hole of the extreme right-wing (so this give me almost full-time liberties except for when I teach at a cegep near my house since I'm in an informal teaching program), and the current dish washer had just quit without warning the very same evening I applied to he place. I did 1 month, and after realizing my boss was an idiot, having being yelled at by these stupid Indians cooks (and yelling back), having being forced to do the job of almost everyone (since the boss is an idiot, he considered that a dish washer should also be the one to collect the plates from their dropping stations, to clean the whole kitchen area and even the one to help move things, rather than the boss boys), I realised I preferred to quit my job rather than being taken for a little piece of crap that was doing everyone job but yet looking with disregard since my job was ''dirty''. Hell, most of these people we're high school drop out, and they looked down on me like if I was some kind of third rate individual, while in actuality, I'm a university student with a general grade of A- . If this is the kinda hell I am supposed to endure to have a job, to hell with it.

Seriously, it was like being an Eldar surrounded by Orks who thought I was the dirty and stupid one.

If you can't cope with your boss being an idiot, your WH40k army will grow very, very slowly. You are not going to be admired for being a good student, quite the opposite. Unless you suck up a little bit of your pride and stop blaming everyone else for your faults, you simply will have to live with the fact that you won't be able to afford as much as someone who does.

Take that from someone who worked at McDonald's during college, that job blows just as much as the one you described.

Simply put, working sucks.
Being poor sucks more.

What is worse ? Being poor, or being another worker-consumer slave of idiots and corrupted politicians ? Anyway, I ain't really poor, since I'm still welcome in the home of my parents. It's just that I have limited options.
...
Oh yeah...
That means I'm poor.

Anyway, it's just that I don't like working hard while the boss boys are eating pizza and nachos in my face, and at the same time comparing the physical mensurations of the waitresses. Hard working isn't a problem with me. What is a problem with me is inequality of efforts and rewards. If I work hard, the others should also work hard. If I make alot of money, the others should also make alot of money, if they at least work as hard as me.

But to go back to the topic, I think the Blood God has heard my prayers :

http://www.miniwargaming.com/content/win-free-battleforce-battallion-free-shipping-worldwide-?utm_source=subemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=subemail

Well, it ain't a gift directly earned, but Khorne was never known to be to generous.

Wow. So you live at home with your parents, go to a university, refuse to work for an "evil" corporation, and have given up on the job market because "stupid" people and immigrants will get the job anyways? Kids these days. Want everything handed to them (occupy?).

When I was in high school I worked in the fields with other immigrants and picked corn. I was able to buy my first car with that money.

Two days after I graduated from high school I joined the military and made far less than minimum wage. Six years later I got out and worked in factories and warehouses for minimum wage and no benefits. I refused to be unemployed and took any job I could get wether it was shoveling crap, loading trucks, working fast food, or everything in between. Eventually my hard work paid off and now I can afford things like hobbies.

Stop whining about not having money for 40k and get a damn job. And you don't know what poor is so stop being a little

Fenrisian wrote:Wow. So you live at home with your parents, go to a university, refuse to work for an "evil" corporation, and have given up on the job market because "stupid" people and immigrants will get the job anyways? Kids these days. Want everything handed to them (occupy?).

When I was in high school I worked in the fields with other immigrants and picked corn. I was able to buy my first car with that money.

Two days after I graduated from high school I joined the military and made far less than minimum wage. Six years later I got out and worked in factories and warehouses for minimum wage and no benefits. I refused to be unemployed and took any job I could get wether it was shoveling crap, loading trucks, working fast food, or everything in between. Eventually my hard work paid off and now I can afford things like hobbies.

Stop whining about not having money for 40k and get a damn job. And you don't know what poor is so stop being a little

Pretty much, this...

And if you have enough money for the gym, but don't have a job, why don't you have money for a hobby?

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Fenrisian wrote:Wow. So you live at home with your parents, go to a university, refuse to work for an "evil" corporation, and have given up on the job market because "stupid" people and immigrants will get the job anyways? Kids these days. Want everything handed to them (occupy?).

When I was in high school I worked in the fields with other immigrants and picked corn. I was able to buy my first car with that money.

Two days after I graduated from high school I joined the military and made far less than minimum wage. Six years later I got out and worked in factories and warehouses for minimum wage and no benefits. I refused to be unemployed and took any job I could get wether it was shoveling crap, loading trucks, working fast food, or everything in between. Eventually my hard work paid off and now I can afford things like hobbies.

Stop whining about not having money for 40k and get a damn job. And you don't know what poor is so stop being a little

Pretty much, this...

And if you have enough money for the gym, but don't have a job, why don't you have money for a hobby?

Well I made my money for the gym (300 for one year), and because it came first in my list of priority (when I don't exercice, I physically feel bad and tired :S)

As for the previous poster, I didn't intended any disrespect toward your previous achievements. I also worked before the last job I have just quitted, I ain't the lazy you might think I am. It is just that my studies are quite expensive, and because of them, few people want to hire me because I ain't capable of giving full-time. I have worked for wal-mart the last summer. I was doing 50 hours week, and when university started back, they kicked me out, siomply telling me they needed someone with more time to give them. It's the story of my minimum wage career : I get a job during summer, when school start back, I get kicked out. And when I start looking for a job during school, I ain't capable of giving full-time so people just don't hire me. Been like that since 2006. So in a way, the only thing that is really stopping me from making money is my studies, and seriously, should I stop going to university to find a work in a factory or warehouse to make money ? The reason why I still live with my parents are the same. I have to choose : get a job and get my own place, money and stuff, or study and stay with them, and work when someone accept me for summer. I ain't that easy as a choice, but I decided to go to university like that I could do a job I really like.

As far as this thread is going, I think I have offended to many people. Could someone please close/block this thread ?

If money is tight, the answer is don't. Just skip 40k until you get on your feet financially.

pretre wrote:If money is tight, the answer is don't. Just skip 40k until you get on your feet financially.

Witht the current state of things in Quebec (the strike of universities and cegep, the lack of employement, and our stupid Prime Minister Jean-Charest), I feel as if I'm never gonna be able to start this awesome hobby before I reach my 30's-35's :S. If only I had decided to become a drug dealer like my friend rather than choose to try to become a college teacher.


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Fenrisian wrote:

Stop whining about not having money for 40k and get a damn job. And you don't know what poor is so stop being a little

I ain't the only one having difficulty finding a job presently. Half the people I know are unable to get one. Plus, some of them aren't even studying.

pretre wrote:If money is tight, the answer is don't. Just skip 40k until you get on your feet financially.

This is the best advice. 40k is not a cheap hobby.

Khornate25 wrote:

pretre wrote:If money is tight, the answer is don't. Just skip 40k until you get on your feet financially.

Witht the current state of things in Quebec (the strike of universities and cegep, the lack of employement, and our stupid Prime Minister Jean-Charest), I feel as if I'm never gonna be able to start this awesome hobby before I reach my 30's-35's :S. If only I had decided to become a drug dealer like my friend rather than choose to try to become a college teacher.

Then don't. Seriously, it isn't cheap and trying to do it without a job isn't going to happen.

I feel as if I'm never gonna be able to start this awesome hobby before I reach my 30's-35's :S. If only I had decided to become a drug dealer like my friend rather than choose to try to become a college teacher.

Please drop out now and become a drug dealer so you can't spread your stupidity to our youth.

Khornate25 wrote:What is worse ? Being poor, or being another worker-consumer slave of idiots and corrupted politicians?

Being poor.

At leaset worker-consumer slaves have Warhams.

The man wants to know how to save money on the hobby. He isn't asking for life-lessons here.

kronk wrote:The man wants to know how to save money on the hobby. He isn't asking for life-lessons here.

We told him how to save money on the hobby (ebay, swap shop, buy used) and then he brought in his life story. The real answer on how to save money on the hobby is don't start it.

scratchbuilding. tis easy to get your hands on Plasi-card. the Plastic signs that stores toss out, various sizes, and thickness.

I make friends with the managers, and stop by once a week. they save it up for me. I got Tons!!!!!

Order from the warstore or ebay. If you play at a gamestore, buy from them. Learn to use plasticard.

If that's too expensive, don't play.

Sorry, you aren't trying hard enough. I've found my friends plenty of jobs at various Universities. Universities are hiring machines. They rarely advertise outside of the school's website, but there's never a shortage. They have dozens of positions up at any given moment, there's very little competition for them and they prefer hiring students. It's a no-brainer.

If you want a cheap way to play, just use Vassal. Just don't show up to a board with Lego figures and explain to the other players that its your Prime Minister's fault.

The word 'proxy'.

Know it and love it.

Khornate25 wrote:But to go back to the topic, I think the Blood God has heard my prayers :

http://www.miniwargaming.com/content/win-free-battleforce-battallion-free-shipping-worldwide-?utm_source=subemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=subemail

Well, it ain't a gift directly earned, but Khorne was never known to be to generous.

The FB post was made on the 10th of May and indicates that they'd pick a winner in 10 days. Given that it's June 1, the contest is probably over. I didn't find anything that indicated they'd be extending the offer...