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Over in the proposed rules section I'm writing and discussing a Protoss codex. What I was thinking of as far as how to tie them in the 40k universe is the these are the super religious sect of the Eldar and these are the actual Eldar that the Necrons fought long ago. So, I was wondering if the fluff gave an indication of how religious the vanilla Eldar are?

Eldar are not "religious", they know that their gods existed, they spoke and interacted with them. Two of them are even alive today (even if one of them is a little... split.)

"The actual Eldar that the Necrons fought long ago" are the same of today. The Necron Codex explicitely says that Alaitoc is still following the original task of hunting necrons.

You'd have better luck making them Necrontyr who ever got converted or reversed the process. The Newcrons and Protoss are extremely similar in culture.

Marzillius wrote:Eldar are not "religious", they know that their gods existed, they spoke and interacted with them. Three of them are even alive today (even if one of them is a little... split.)

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King Pariah wrote:

Marzillius wrote:Eldar are not "religious", they know that their gods existed, they spoke and interacted with them. Three of them are even alive today (even if one of them is a little... split.)

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Oh yeah, forgot about Nurgle's pet.

Marzillius wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Marzillius wrote:Eldar are not "religious", they know that their gods existed, they spoke and interacted with them. Three of them are even alive today (even if one of them is a little... split.)

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Oh yeah, forgot about Nurgle's pet.

I thought Isha and Nurgle were married even before the Fall, which was why he beat the snot out of Slaanesh' ass. I mean, what husband wouldn't kick a sex maniac's ass if said maniac tried to take the wife away?

And didn't the Eldar stop worshipping the gods after they adopted the Paths?

Tadashi wrote:

Marzillius wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Marzillius wrote:Eldar are not "religious", they know that their gods existed, they spoke and interacted with them. Three of them are even alive today (even if one of them is a little... split.)

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Oh yeah, forgot about Nurgle's pet.

I thought Isha and Nurgle were married even before the Fall, which was why he beat the snot out of Slaanesh' ass. I mean, what husband wouldn't kick a sex maniac's ass if said maniac tried to take the wife way?

Nope, the eldar god of the hunt, Kurnous, was married to Isha before the Fall. But Nurgle does love her above all else, he just doesn't know how to show it appropriately.

King Pariah wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Marzillius wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Marzillius wrote:Eldar are not "religious", they know that their gods existed, they spoke and interacted with them. Three of them are even alive today (even if one of them is a little... split.)

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Oh yeah, forgot about Nurgle's pet.

I thought Isha and Nurgle were married even before the Fall, which was why he beat the snot out of Slaanesh' ass. I mean, what husband wouldn't kick a sex maniac's ass if said maniac tried to take the wife way?

Nope, the eldar god of the hunt, Kurnous, was married to Isha before the Fall. But Nurgle does love her above all else, he just doesn't know how to show it appropriately.

That's a shame. Out of all the Powers, Nurgle is quite probably the most likable of them all. Simply because he's the only one among them who actually cares about anyone or anything other himself. Whether it's Isha, his 'children', or mortal kind, he cares for everyone...now if only he could show it in a less twisted fashion.

Still, I wonder how Nurgle beat Slaanesh. The best I can imagine is Slaanesh spraying aphrodisiacs on Nurgle (to no effect - when you're the sickest guy in existence, I don't that stuff will work), then when Slaanesh leaps forward to pounce, Nurgle trips him, then SITS on Slaanesh and refuses to leave until Slaanesh agrees to leave Isha alone.

Tadashi wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Marzillius wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Marzillius wrote:Eldar are not "religious", they know that their gods existed, they spoke and interacted with them. Three of them are even alive today (even if one of them is a little... split.)

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Oh yeah, forgot about Nurgle's pet.

I thought Isha and Nurgle were married even before the Fall, which was why he beat the snot out of Slaanesh' ass. I mean, what husband wouldn't kick a sex maniac's ass if said maniac tried to take the wife way?

Nope, the eldar god of the hunt, Kurnous, was married to Isha before the Fall. But Nurgle does love her above all else, he just doesn't know how to show it appropriately.

That's a shame. Out of all the Powers, Nurgle is quite probably the most likable of them all. Simply because he's the only one among them who actually cares about anyone or anything other himself. Whether it's Isha, his 'children', or mortal kind, he cares for everyone...now if only he could show it in a less twisted fashion.

Still, I wonder how Nurgle beat Slaanesh. The best I can imagine is Slaanesh spraying aphrodisiacs on Nurgle (to no effect - when you're the sickest guy in existence, I don't that stuff will work), then when Slaanesh leaps forward to pounce, Nurgle trips him, then SITS on Slaanesh and refuses to leave until Slaanesh agrees to leave Isha alone.

Well, according to Lexicanum, it was a loooooong war. (Nurgle probably found an STD that was capable of scaring Slaanesh shitless, you know, something like cancerous gonoherpaids)

King Pariah wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Marzillius wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Marzillius wrote:Eldar are not "religious", they know that their gods existed, they spoke and interacted with them. Three of them are even alive today (even if one of them is a little... split.)

fix'd

Oh yeah, forgot about Nurgle's pet.

I thought Isha and Nurgle were married even before the Fall, which was why he beat the snot out of Slaanesh' ass. I mean, what husband wouldn't kick a sex maniac's ass if said maniac tried to take the wife way?

Nope, the eldar god of the hunt, Kurnous, was married to Isha before the Fall. But Nurgle does love her above all else, he just doesn't know how to show it appropriately.

That's a shame. Out of all the Powers, Nurgle is quite probably the most likable of them all. Simply because he's the only one among them who actually cares about anyone or anything other himself. Whether it's Isha, his 'children', or mortal kind, he cares for everyone...now if only he could show it in a less twisted fashion.

Still, I wonder how Nurgle beat Slaanesh. The best I can imagine is Slaanesh spraying aphrodisiacs on Nurgle (to no effect - when you're the sickest guy in existence, I don't that stuff will work), then when Slaanesh leaps forward to pounce, Nurgle trips him, then SITS on Slaanesh and refuses to leave until Slaanesh agrees to leave Isha alone.

Well, according to Lexicanum, it was a loooooong war. (Nurgle probably found an STD that was capable of scaring Slaanesh shitless, you know, something like cancerous gonoherpaids)

I don't imagine any of the gods would want to mess with Isha after that. If whatever it was that Nurgle used couldn't tempt Slaanesh with the promise of a new experience, I doubt even Khorne or Tzeentch would even want to know what is was.

I might just point out that the Chaos Gods are almost always in a state of constant war against each other, the fact that Nurgle fought against Slaanesh is not strange by itself. In fact it makes sense that Slaanesh, after having an exhaustive battle with Khaine, simply couldn't pit himself up against another Chaos God with out severely putting himself at risk.

Hazardous Harry wrote:I might just point out that the Chaos Gods are almost always in a state of constant war against each other, the fact that Nurgle fought against Slaanesh is not strange by itself. In fact it makes sense that Slaanesh, after having an exhaustive battle with Khaine, simply couldn't pit himself up against another Chaos God with out severely putting himself at risk.

Sorry to contradict you but, Slaanesh is a wimp compared to the other gods. The only reason he/she/it beat the Eldar Gods was because they were weakened by the decadence of the Eldar Empire. Even now, that gutless wimp doesn't even hold a candle to Khorne, or even Nurgle - if he/she/it was really strong, he/she/it could have forced Nurgle to turn Isha over to him/her/it.

Tadashi wrote:
Sorry to contradict you but, Slaanesh is a wimp compared to the other gods. The only reason he/she/it beat the Eldar Gods was because they were weakened by the decadence of the Eldar Empire. Even now, that gutless wimp doesn't even hold a candle to Khorne, or even Nurgle - if he/she/it was really strong, he/she/it could have forced Nurgle to turn Isha over to him/her/it.

I don't know where you're getting that information. Slaanesh is comparable in power to Tzeench, Nurgle and Khorne. S/He holds his own against them, and there are times when s/he is even at times predominant. S/he only attempted to take on Nurgle because she was bloated on the powers of the Eldar Gods she had devoured.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

Tadashi wrote:
Sorry to contradict you but, Slaanesh is a wimp compared to the other gods. The only reason he/she/it beat the Eldar Gods was because they were weakened by the decadence of the Eldar Empire. Even now, that gutless wimp doesn't even hold a candle to Khorne, or even Nurgle - if he/she/it was really strong, he/she/it could have forced Nurgle to turn Isha over to him/her/it.

I don't know where you're getting that information. Slaanesh is comparable in power to Tzeench, Nurgle and Khorne. S/He holds his own against them, and there are times when s/he is even at times predominant. S/he only attempted to take on Nurgle because she was bloated on the powers of the Eldar Gods she had devoured.

Right, and Isha stays with Nurgle. Slaanesh doesn't dare come near her - if you think the wrath of Khorne is bad, you've never seen the wrath of Grandfather Nurgle. I'd rather be cut in half than have my intestines rotted out.

I might point out that the whole Nurgle sheltering Isha thing is a legend told on only 1 Craftworld, and a minor one at that. To all other Craftworlds, Isha is long dead.

Also, due to the nature of Chaos itself all the Chaos Gods are on par with each other; no single God holds ultimate power for very long as the other 3 will 'unite' to break that God. And so continues the Eternal Game.

Iranna.

Iranna wrote:I might point out that the whole Nurgle sheltering Isha thing is a legend told on only 1 Craftworld, and a minor one at that. To all other Craftworlds, Isha is long dead.

Also, due to the nature of Chaos itself all the Chaos Gods are on par with each other; no single God holds ultimate power for very long as the other 3 will 'unite' to break that God. And so continues the Eternal Game.

Iranna.

QFT. I hadn't even heard that Nurgle was sheltering Isha before coming onto this thread.

So the only Eldar Gods still alive for sure are Khaine, through his Avatars, and Cegorach, who stalks the Webway in-between playing tricks on the Chaos Powers and other individuals in the Webway. Come to think of it, has Cegorach ever gone to Commoragh?

Tadashi wrote:
Right, and Isha stays with Nurgle. Slaanesh doesn't dare come near her - if you think the wrath of Khorne is bad, you've never seen the wrath of Grandfather Nurgle. I'd rather be cut in half than have my intestines rotted out.

I'm sure I can imagine some very unpleasant, or disturbingly pleasant, things that Slaanesh could do to someone that displeased them. What is your point? The Chaos Gods are on par with each other, no Chaos God is ever stronger than the others for very long, otherwise they would have already wiped out the competition.

Tadashi wrote:So the only Eldar Gods still alive for sure are Khaine, through his Avatars, and Cegorach, who stalks the Webway in-between playing tricks on the Chaos Powers and other individuals in the Webway. Come to think of it, has Cegorach ever gone to Commoragh?

I'd doubt any other Eldar but the Harlequins have laid eyes upon him. He'd also have to have a very important purpose behind revealing himself.

nevermind, thread-skimming check turned up snake eyes on the dice. Failed.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

Tadashi wrote:
Right, and Isha stays with Nurgle. Slaanesh doesn't dare come near her - if you think the wrath of Khorne is bad, you've never seen the wrath of Grandfather Nurgle. I'd rather be cut in half than have my intestines rotted out.

I'm sure I can imagine some very unpleasant, or disturbingly pleasant, things that Slaanesh could do to someone that displeased them. What is your point? The Chaos Gods are on par with each other, no Chaos God is ever stronger than the others for very long, otherwise they would have already wiped out the competition.

My point is that if Isha really is with Nurgle, he's not giving her up to anyone, or putting her up as a prize in one of the games of power the gods play. It doesn't matter how powerful or how many times they play, Isha stays with Nurgle, until someone makes Nurgle croak. Which will never happen. And anyone who does otherwise gets their bodies rotted away.

Tadashi wrote:

Hazardous Harry wrote:I might just point out that the Chaos Gods are almost always in a state of constant war against each other, the fact that Nurgle fought against Slaanesh is not strange by itself. In fact it makes sense that Slaanesh, after having an exhaustive battle with Khaine, simply couldn't pit himself up against another Chaos God with out severely putting himself at risk.

Sorry to contradict you but, Slaanesh is a wimp compared to the other gods. The only reason he/she/it beat the Eldar Gods was because they were weakened by the decadence of the Eldar Empire. Even now, that gutless wimp doesn't even hold a candle to Khorne, or even Nurgle - if he/she/it was really strong, he/she/it could have forced Nurgle to turn Isha over to him/her/it.

According to the Codexs, Slaanesh is equal to the other Gods.

Tadashi wrote:

Hazardous Harry wrote:

Tadashi wrote:
Right, and Isha stays with Nurgle. Slaanesh doesn't dare come near her - if you think the wrath of Khorne is bad, you've never seen the wrath of Grandfather Nurgle. I'd rather be cut in half than have my intestines rotted out.

I'm sure I can imagine some very unpleasant, or disturbingly pleasant, things that Slaanesh could do to someone that displeased them. What is your point? The Chaos Gods are on par with each other, no Chaos God is ever stronger than the others for very long, otherwise they would have already wiped out the competition.

My point is that if Isha really is with Nurgle, he's not giving her up to anyone, or putting her up as a prize in one of the games of power the gods play. It doesn't matter how powerful or how many times they play, Isha stays with Nurgle, until someone makes Nurgle croak. Which will never happen. And anyone who does otherwise gets their bodies rotted away.

I've never said otherwise. I've only said what LoneLictor is saying below.

LoneLictor wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Hazardous Harry wrote:I might just point out that the Chaos Gods are almost always in a state of constant war against each other, the fact that Nurgle fought against Slaanesh is not strange by itself. In fact it makes sense that Slaanesh, after having an exhaustive battle with Khaine, simply couldn't pit himself up against another Chaos God with out severely putting himself at risk.

Sorry to contradict you but, Slaanesh is a wimp compared to the other gods. The only reason he/she/it beat the Eldar Gods was because they were weakened by the decadence of the Eldar Empire. Even now, that gutless wimp doesn't even hold a candle to Khorne, or even Nurgle - if he/she/it was really strong, he/she/it could have forced Nurgle to turn Isha over to him/her/it.

According to the Codexs, Slaanesh is equal to the other Gods.

The ancestors of the current Craftworld Eldar were the super-religious section of the population. The mainstream population was more akin to what the Dark Eldar are like now, albeit with a different social structure.

The Path is a new thing designed to keep the population from falling into the same habits as before. Eldar are free to leave the Craftworlds and aren't forced to stay.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

Tadashi wrote:So the only Eldar Gods still alive for sure are Khaine, through his Avatars, and Cegorach, who stalks the Webway in-between playing tricks on the Chaos Powers and other individuals in the Webway. Come to think of it, has Cegorach ever gone to Commoragh?

I'd doubt any other Eldar but the Harlequins have laid eyes upon him. He'd also have to have a very important purpose behind revealing himself.

There is the story of Malys (a dark eldar archon) meeting the laughing god, beating him in a contest of brains, and then taking the god's heart. So in fact, Malys is, in a way, the laughing god. Or, you could say that it's another God down and only Khaine exists now. Either way.

Anyway, I like the idea of Isha being under the control of Nurgle. It matches his character remarkably well.

Another thing, I would say that we can't easily say which chaos god is the most powerful, as they are powerful in different ways. Khorne is obviously the best fighter, but if Tzeench had the same amount of raw power, he'd use it far better and therefore have defeated Khorne by now. We must therefore assume that he is less powerful but uses his power better to the effect that he is equally powerful. We can equally assume, therefore, that she who thirsts is less powerful, but uses her powers of seduction to use this power in a better, more refined way, which simply may not work on Nurgle.

p_gray99 wrote:
There is the story of Malys (a dark eldar archon) meeting the laughing god, beating him in a contest of brains, and then taking the god's heart. So in fact, Malys is, in a way, the laughing god. Or, you could say that it's another God down and only Khaine exists now. Either way.

The entity doesn't seem to have been the Laughing God, and it's unlikely that even a fallen Dark Eldar noble wouldn't somehow recognise one of the major Eldar deities.

p_gray99 wrote:

Hazardous Harry wrote:

Tadashi wrote:So the only Eldar Gods still alive for sure are Khaine, through his Avatars, and Cegorach, who stalks the Webway in-between playing tricks on the Chaos Powers and other individuals in the Webway. Come to think of it, has Cegorach ever gone to Commoragh?

I'd doubt any other Eldar but the Harlequins have laid eyes upon him. He'd also have to have a very important purpose behind revealing himself.

There is the story of Malys (a dark eldar archon) meeting the laughing god, beating him in a contest of brains, and then taking the god's heart. So in fact, Malys is, in a way, the laughing god. Or, you could say that it's another God down and only Khaine exists now. Either way.

Considering that Cegorach is a master of trickery and 'just as planned' equal to Tzeentch, even if that was Cegorach (which I doubt), I doubt that was his true heart.

And then if he lost is was because he wanted to for some reason.

n0t_u wrote:And then if he lost is was because he wanted to for some reason.

In other words, Malys got trolled.

Lord Rogukiel wrote:

n0t_u wrote:And then if he lost is was because he wanted to for some reason.

In other words, Malys got trolled.

Most likely, when Malys finally gets the chance to unseat Vect, Vect outsmarts her and captures her, only for Cegorach to pop out of nowhere and pull the biggest practical joke in Dark Eldar history on the most powerful Archons of the Dark City. The Harlequins will be celebrating that one for millennia.