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I play a daemons army in 40k currently but i am starting fantasy this week. In future i may start basing my daemons with square instead of round bases. I know that for fantasy round bases would cause a lot problems than using square for 40k but what would you think if someone played you using square bases in 40k.

Please don't suggest magnetising them, i find this too time consuming

As daemons come with the square base it is perfectly legal. Most people won't have a problem with it.

I'm glad you say that most people won't have a problem. but perfectly legal? Im not intending on it but could I do that in a tournament?

Another solution i have seen is have all of your bases magnetized, this also allows for your fantasy ranks to be easier to make.

The common answer in tournament (at least from what I've seen) is no. This is because they come with both round and square bases so you have the appropriate bases for the appropriate game. The common argument you hear from players is that "This is the base it came with" which is closely followed by the TO's reprisal of "It also came with a round one. Now get out" you are safe from trouble if it is mounted on its original base (as proven by my retro termies in Ard last year), but if it comes with base options, you use the appropriate one for the appropriate game.

My experience disagrees. Square bases are fine.

I think its fine in a friendly game but it is als oa disadvantage to you as when you deep strike them they fit together more so look at templates with horror, I can prove this as when i played some one who was using square bases, his deamonets arrived and he forgot to run them, this ment that when i shot them with a helfire shell there were 10 hits on 10 models. with round bases you can't get that many under the small blast marker.

If your opponent can't decide if they want to allow you to use the square bases then point this out to show that you will be worse off yet you still want to play.

Small bases also confer an advantage. That smaller footprint while deepstriking means you can drift closer to terrain or impassable without taking Dangerous Terrain or outright mishap. In addition, you can fit more bases into small patches of area terrain and you'll be able to get more things into cover.

If you really want to use the army in both, the best option is probably to mount on square and magnetize to lock to movement trays, and also to magnetized round bases.

chaplaincliff wrote:Another solution i have seen is have all of your bases magnetized, this also allows for your fantasy ranks to be easier to make.

He knows... From the original post:

olim wrote:...Please don't suggest magnetising them, i find this too time consuming

olim wrote:I'm glad you say that most people won't have a problem. but perfectly legal? Im not intending on it but could I do that in a tournament?

Yes, it's perfectly legal. There is no rule in 40K that requires bases to be round, just that you use the base supplied with the model.

It wasn't that many years ago that Daemons were only supplied with square bases, and there are many 40K models (most MCs and Walkers for starters) that came with square bases once upon a time. As a result, you'll find it's not too uncommon even these days to see square bases in 40K armies.

Some people aren't too fond of it as they thnk it doesn't look as good... but you're not likely to have issues from tournament organisers, and most players don't actually care enough for it to be an issue.


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GreyHamster wrote:Small bases also confer an advantage. That smaller footprint while deepstriking means you can drift closer to terrain or impassable without taking Dangerous Terrain or outright mishap. In addition, you can fit more bases into small patches of area terrain and you'll be able to get more things into cover.

A 25mm square base has a larger footprint than a 25mm round one.

I have a bunch of Tyranid Warriors and a couple of Lictors that are on square bases. I dislike how the square bases look so I'm planning on putting them on 40mm rounds.

There's ambiguity in the rules about whether you're allowed to use the squares, and I can see how and why a lot of folks think it's okay, but I don't recommend it.

Rounds are the best way to go.

I initially based my lesser daemons on squares, buying into the common wisdom that you're repeating, that it matters more for WHFB. However after having a few play experiences where the squares clashed and created odd situations in 40k, I was motivated to examine it in detail, and realized that the squares, in addition to looking odd in 40k, actually have multiple small but measurable advantages in 40k, and no counterbalancing disadvantages as some folks think.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/337837.page

You can take pains to mitigate these by playing the squares as if they were rounds, but it requires a bit of effort and is IMO a PiTA. I eventually re-based all my daemons I use in 40k onto rounds.

In WHFB for 95% of the models you can simply place your round bases onto normal square movement trays and it works perfectly well. You can add weights to the bottom and/or filler between them if you want to for extra stability, but it's not strictly needed. The only major exceptions are Bloodcrushers (which are on 60mm rounds in 40k), which won't fit properly in a movement tray on their rounds, and greater daemons/daemon princes, which again go on larger bases in 40k and don't go on a tray. For those you're best off to magnetize. Or just base the Crushers on rounds, as they're not a very good unit in WHFB.

I recommend fantasy movement trays with ROUND holes. I seen them used and it really helps, especially for ranking up as you can slightly rotate everyone if thier weapons and arms overhang the base.

And then your models work in both games.

(LotR has them so you can go between ranked and skirmished on round bases)

The only problem with the pre-made movement trays with round holes is that they usually surround the bases on all sides, which adds distance between them and makes the unit wider than it's supposed to be.

It's a design flaw from a gameplay perspective (though logical from a stability perspective, at least with metal models) and has some mostly-small but significant impacts on the game (unit footprint and LOS) which you need to compensate for. Better to make your own or use regular trays IME.

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GreyHamster wrote:Small bases also confer an advantage. That smaller footprint while deepstriking means you can drift closer to terrain or impassable without taking Dangerous Terrain or outright mishap. In addition, you can fit more bases into small patches of area terrain and you'll be able to get more things into cover.

A 25mm square base has a larger footprint than a 25mm round one.

I thought most daemons were on 20mm squares.

No. All the infantry daemons are on 25mm.

Base them on round 25mm bases.

Then if you want to use them for fantasy slip the 25mm Square bases underneath with a little of This and you are all set.

It is reusable, and will not discolor the bases. I used to use that stuff for my Terminator arms, until I magnetized them.

Thanks for all the comments and advice, i think im going to go with square bases, people can't really complain That it's an advantage considering that it would make their deep-striking footprint 127% of the original size. If i do ever dind my pieces on round bases are inadequate i will go with making movement trays for them.

I would see no problem with you using them as long as you weren't attempting to gain an unfair advantage somehow with the square base. For tournaments they may say no using the square bases but it's completely up to the tournament director, and if you don't plan on going to tournaments then as long as players in your area don't care your covered.

I'd rather you use circular bases, even if it's purely for aesthetic reasons (IMHO consistent basing, even across opposing armies, looks better) and just use movement trays for WHFB, but wouldn't argue about it - you've attached them to the bases that came with the model, and there is no requirement that 40k bases be round.

You can get movement trays that are the same dimensions as the GW movement trays (IIRC). You can see from the picture that the bases will be in contact with each other, and so they won't alter the width of your ranks.