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In the armoury section it says about the Juggernaut that it cannot be carried in transports exactly like cavalry, the daemonic mount of Slaanesh does change the model from infantry to cavalry. Is a model on a juggernaut cavalry or infantry? I would like it to be but the sentence is so vague that I interpret it as not being cavalry, just for transports. Whatcha think?

It is infantry, but cannot be put in a transport. In other words... it blows

Oh no not at all! 12" charge with a khorne model? it´s awesome!

Luusormi wrote:Oh no not at all! 12" charge with a khorne model? it´s awesome!

What makes you think it gives you a 12" charge?

The Juggernaut just makes it so you can't embark transports, it does not give you the type of cavalry.

Luusormi wrote:Oh no not at all! 12" charge with a khorne model? it´s awesome!

How did you get this from what I wrote? It is infantry in all ways except is cannot enter transports.

in a world where thunderwolves are cav and juggernoughts are not...

Formosa wrote:in a world where thunderwolves are cav and juggernoughts are not...

To be fair, Bloodcrushers aren't Cavalry, so no big surprise.

Of course the codex tells you why they are not cavalry.

Happyjew wrote:Of course the codex tells you why they are not cavalry.

Shh. Reading is for losers.

Huh, maybe that's why I can't seem to ever win a game...

pretre wrote:

Formosa wrote:in a world where thunderwolves are cav and juggernoughts are not...

To be fair, Bloodcrushers aren't Cavalry, so no big surprise.

Dont worry i know, just commenting that TH are Cav and Juggers are not it stupid, i think niether should be cav, or both should be, new chaos dex may change that though

Except Juggers are big and lumbering and TWC aren't.

Really? Some of those TWC have bionic implants, and the juggers are just daemonically infused metal (I think ) so it stands to reason that they would have similar capabilities.

And if all else fails....

"The warp did it"


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Really? Some of those TWC have bionic implants, and the juggers are just daemonically infused metal (I think ) so it stands to reason that they would have similar capabilities.

And if all else fails....

"The warp did it"

Thats good, except wolves are built for speed.

Juggers weigh alot more, are made purely of metal and have tiny back legs.
They are designed for maximum impact when they hit, not for speed.

kitch102 wrote:Really? Some of those TWC have bionic implants, and the juggers are just daemonically infused metal (I think ) so it stands to reason that they would have similar capabilities.

So... they're totally different, and so should have the same rules...?

I wouldn't say they're totally different - they're both "living" beings in some form.

I can feel my faith in my own arguement slipping as I write this if I'm completely honest...!

My train of thought was (excuse the analogy), ones a horse, ones an elephant. Replace the horses leg with something man made and it would likely reduce in speed, potentially to the same as the elephant.

Yeah sod it, you guys are right. The only way I can see to balance it would be to have individual movement characteristics ala fantasy.

Personally I find myself a bit incredulous about a creature the size of a TW, carrying a SM in armor, being anywhere near the speed of a wolf. Really if "realism" were the point they'd probably be regular infantry speed like a jugger. But it's a fantasy game and realism (really versimilitude) is beside the point.

Mannahnin, go to a natural history museum some time. There were some very very large mammals in the past, they managed to move rather fast.

liturgies of blood wrote:Mannahnin, go to a natural history museum some time. There were some very very large mammals in the past, they managed to move rather fast.

Not while carrying a half to a full ton of space marine.

liturgies of blood wrote:Mannahnin, go to a natural history museum some time. There were some very very large mammals in the past, they managed to move rather fast.

Any specific recommendations? I've only been to ones in Boston, New York, London and Vienna. I know I've missed a lot, but I've also seen some good stuff. Large quadrapeds usually aren't as fast and certainly can't accelerate (sprint/charge) or turn the way smaller ones can. Of the top ten fastest land animals, the biggest are the quarterhorse and wildebeest, which themselves are around the same weight or a little bigger (maybe smaller?) than a marine in power armor.

This whole thing is just nerd jawing, of course. Obviously we don't know how fast a hypothetical alien species might be, but the square/cube law does tend to make it difficult for physically-larger things to be quick. A creature the size of a Bloodcrusher or Thunderwolf seems more plausible to me as a slower, more ponderous thing. A real life Rhinoceros looks like it could carry a Space Marine. None of which really matters to what works in a game, though.

I have to admit, I was waiting for that reply and it didn't disappoint.

Sorry, got it wrong. I was thinking of cav´s, but still, +1S and +1A is not at all bad! Definetly worth 30 pts if you ask me, especially when gives a bloodfeeder. Finally there´s a real chance of taking down a wraithlord. I hate those bastards:-P

Bloodfeeder is not the best choice. If you role a 1 on either dice he hits him self. Have you tried oblitz to kill them? Or a summoned greater deamon? Many better choices than a bloodfeeder. But cool models though.

i agree that a thunderwolf should be cav.. just not with a marine on top... its yet another case of sw being marines +2 lol

yes bloodfeeder is a dangerous weapon for the wielder too, but up to +12 attacks gives a whopping 17 attacks with juggernaut and charge. (CSM lord 3A+1 for jugg+1 for charge+12 if very lucky):-). with +1S it´ll give most any squad in the game what for:-D

Mannahnin wrote:A real life Rhinoceros looks like it could carry a Space Marine.

I always thought the rhino was a cool name for their transport.

Luusormi wrote:yes bloodfeeder is a dangerous weapon for the wielder too, but up to +12 attacks gives a whopping 17 attacks with juggernaut and charge. (CSM lord 3A+1 for jugg+1 for charge+12 if very lucky):-). with +1S it´ll give most any squad in the game what for:-D

Mark of Khorne = +1 attack

Maximum of 17 not mounted, 18 mounted.