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Hi all,

This came up last night. My opponent said that his turbo penetration rounds get 4D6 for armor penetration against my wave serpent, He said the field protects against bonus dice(being a casual game I did not argue) but reading the codex the energy field says "All ranged attacks never roll more than +1D6 for armor penetration." So it seems that turbo penetration rounds do not work on wave serpents.

What do you guys think?

They dont work on wave serpents

It's why mine shoots falcons or fire prisms.

That is correct,

So the best a Turbo-penetrator could do would be to Glance.

Not even then, as Rending doesnt work either.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Not even then, as Rending doesnt work either.

I was under the impression that Rending still affected Wave Serpents. I would say, technically, a Rending weapon is only rolling D6 for is armour penetration, it simply gets an additional D3 after that roll is resolved, thus not coming into conflict with the "Energy Fields" rule?

Iranna.

The additional D3 is still added to the armour penetration roll. When it occurs is inconsequential. Its still more than 1D6.

Also, (something I didn't realize before) Ordnance don't get to roll 2 dice and pick the highest.

i see what you mean Ghaz, i always thought it worked like this

str6+6 but max is str8 then add the D3

But i was clearly wrong, not that it ever came up in a game anyway

Looks like Psyfledread is the only good way to counter Wave Serpent.

leohart wrote:Looks like Psyfledread is the only good way to counter Wave Serpent.

Mass psycannons also help, since even at their worst they're essentially BS4 autocannons, just sacrificing 48" range for being Assault weapons. A combat squad of Purifiers pumps out 8 S7 BS4 shots (because who wouldn't take 10 purifiers and 4 psycannons?) per shooting phase if they stood still during movement, and that's a very good all-around Eldar counter, since we have nothing over AV12.

Psyrifles are the best counter, but psycannons can be just as good and equally - if not more - numerous, and aren't exactly pricey either; 5 Purifiers with PCannons are only 5pts more than a psyrifleman, but have the ability to hide in terrain and have 3 ablative wounds.

Rending is actually debateable, given that Tankhunters does work against the energy field.

Q. Does the Wave Serpent’s energy field negate the +1
bonus to the penetration roll from the tank hunters
universal special rule? (p45)
A. As the tank hunters universal special rule does not
alter the strength of the attack, the energy field has no
effect on it.

Same answer could be said to apply to rending......................

Energy Fields specifies that you may never roll more than +1D6; you do not roll for Tank Hunters, therefore it is unnaffected, whereas you do roll for Rending.

don_mondo wrote:Rending is actually debateable, given that Tankhunters does work against the energy field.

Q. Does the Wave Serpent’s energy field negate the +1
bonus to the penetration roll from the tank hunters
universal special rule? (p45)
A. As the tank hunters universal special rule does not
alter the strength of the attack, the energy field has no
effect on it.

Same answer could be said to apply to rending......................

Except that Rending is an extra penetration die and Energy Field only allows 1D6 penetration.

The two aren't even close to comparable.