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2012/06/12 01:28:33
Subject: Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death
‘HE GOT WHAT HE DESERVED’: TEXAS DAD BEATS HIS DAUGHTER’S MOLESTER TO DEATH
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 4:31pm by Jason Howerton Print »Email »
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A Texas father beat a man to death after catching him molesting his four-year-old daughter in a horse barn, The Houston Chronicle reports. The incident happened Saturday evening near Shiner, Texas.
Lavaca County Sheriff Micah Harmon identified the deceased as a 47-year-old man from Gonzales, Texas. He was reported dead at the scene, however, his name will not be released until his next of kin is notified.
Harmon said the father and daughter were with several other people at the family’s barn to groom and tend to the horses, according to The Chronicle. The alleged attacker was reportedly an acquaintance of the father.
The sound of the little girl’s screams were later heard coming from the barn and instinctually, the father rushed to his daughter’s aide. After reaching the barn, he found a man sexually assaulting his daughter – undoubtedly a dad’s worst nightmare.
After pulling the attacker off of her, the father repeatedly struck the man in the head.
The young girl was taken to DeTar hospital in Victoria where doctors ran tests to determine whether sexual assault had occurred, The Houston Chronicle reports. She was eventually released.
In the aftermath, nearby residents are having a hard time feeling any sympathy for the alleged child molester.
“He got what he deserved, big time,” Sonny Jaehne, a Shiner resident, told the Victoria Advocate.
Another Shiner resident Mark Harabis said he agreed with the father’s action “totally.”
“I would probably do worse,” he said. “The family will have to deal with that the rest of their lives, no matter what happens to the father. Even if they let him go, he and his child will have to deal with that the rest of their lives.”
Further, Howard Gloor, the owner of Howard’s convenient store, a popular Shiner hangout spot, told The Advocate that the whole town had pretty much come to a “consensus” about the incident.
“Everybody wants to know who it is,” Gloor said. “Everybody’s very curious about it. A lot of people have said that he got what he had coming to him. That’s been the consensus. They’ve been supportive of doing what needed to be done to take care of the problem.”
So far, no arrests have been made. A grand jury will likely decide whether any charges will be brought against the father, whose identity has not been released in an attempt to protect the four-year-old girl.
An autopsy on the alleged attacker is expected to be performed by the Travis County Medical Examiner’s Office to establish the cause of death.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: In case there is a query, texas law specifically permits deadly force in this circumstance.
PC §9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A
person is justified in using deadly force against another:
(1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and
(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or
(B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.
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2012/06/12 01:51:48
Subject: Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death
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2012/06/12 02:10:31
Subject: Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death
I'd probably have killed him too... though I'm thinking with a knife or gun rather than my bare hands but still...
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2012/06/12 02:20:26
Subject: Re:Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death
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2012/06/12 02:54:58
Subject: Re:Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death
Provided the beating was delivered in only a few moments after pulling him off his daughter, I'd think the father would get off in most places around the world, so surely he'd get off in Texas.
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deathholydeath wrote:Good.
Reminds me of a movie I just watched: "Seven Days"
Child rapists don't deserve dignity, just torture and death.
Just... watch a movie called Snowtown. It does a really good job of examining exactly what your mentality above is really all about.
Fair warning, it's a graphic, unrelenting depiction of a series of real life serial killings.
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2012/06/12 02:59:08
Subject: Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death
I don't think he will get away with it under the "justifications for deadly force rule". If he beat him I would imagine that the threat was neutralized long before the guy was actually dead. So he crossed the line from neutralizing a threat and protecting his daughter and stepped into the area of vigilante justice. If he had a gun and pulled him off and shot him he would probably have a better argument about him still being a threat at the time of the killing. So from the stand point of the law I think that he is probably guilty. It does appear he crossed the line.
Do I understand why he did it? 100% and I would imagine that almost every dad would do the same and while I don't have a daughter I would imagine that I would do something similar if I walked in on somebody doing that to one of my nieces.
2012/06/12 03:01:42
Subject: Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death
(B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.
If he found the man while he was sexually assaulting his daughter, he prevented nothing.
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2012/06/12 03:15:50
Subject: Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death
sebster wrote:Provided the beating was delivered in only a few moments after pulling him off his daughter, I'd think the father would get off in most places around the world, so surely he'd get off in Texas.
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deathholydeath wrote:Good.
Reminds me of a movie I just watched: "Seven Days"
Child rapists don't deserve dignity, just torture and death.
Just... watch a movie called Snowtown. It does a really good job of examining exactly what your mentality above is really all about.
Fair warning, it's a graphic, unrelenting depiction of a series of real life serial killings.
I'm quite aware of what "my mentality" is really about. Thus, the reference to Seven Days
I'm both selfish and rational. I'm scheming, secretive and manipulative; I use knowledge as a tool for personal gain, and in turn obtaining more knowledge. At best, I am mysterious and stealthy; at worst, I am distrustful and opportunistic.
2012/06/12 03:18:30
Subject: Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death
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2012/06/12 03:22:15
Subject: Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death
Guy deserved it and looks (from what Fraz posted) like Texas law protects the father's actions. Good on him. I hope he was able to prevent the guy from fully committing the act-and to think the guy was a "friend." What sick sort of "friend" would do something like that? I doubt even God was offended by the father's actions. Not that I want to speak for Him, but...
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2012/06/12 05:56:30
Subject: Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death
Alright since we are on to the legallity of it all.
Imagine you have a very young daughter, you hear her scream, you run to find her being molested by a pervert you thought was a friend. How are you feeling, what are you thinking about?
Pure anger and rage probably? A blind rage where you litterally might black out for a moment and not actually remember exactly what you did between hitting the guy, and being pulled away?
Enter the not guilty by temporary insanity defense combined with the affirmative defense of his little girl. No way this guy is going to be convicted of anything.
2012/06/12 05:59:24
Subject: Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death
LordofHats wrote:The average person doesn't care at all about upholding something that takes six to eight years of education and training to practicee.
What? You talking about what lawyers do? Good.
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2012/06/12 06:03:28
Subject: Re:Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death
sebster wrote:Provided the beating was delivered in only a few moments after pulling him off his daughter, I'd think the father would get off in most places around the world, so surely he'd get off in Texas.
I'm going with this. The father seems entirely justified in what he was doing.
It would only be morally, and legally, questionable if the attacker had already been subdued and was then subsequently beaten to death. And I doubt that's the case here.
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2012/06/12 06:05:02
Subject: Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death
Shadowseer_Kim wrote:
Imagine you have a very young daughter, you hear her scream, you run to find her being molested by a pervert you thought was a friend. How are you feeling, what are you thinking about?
Like any smart man, whether or not my actions are well couched in legality. Don't want a daughter less a father, at least if I like my daughter.
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2012/06/12 06:11:48
Subject: Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death
Eh, probably prevented the man from re-offending and saved the state a bunch of money by not having to jail him and "rehabiliate" him. No sympathy for the dead guy from me.
2012/06/12 06:35:36
Subject: Re:Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death
Seems fair...
Doubt they are gonna find anyone to convict him...
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2012/06/12 06:46:00
Subject: Re:Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death
I dunno - I think there comes a point where he has neutralised the offence and crossed over to vengeance. I doubt a jury would convict him, and even so they could possibly argue that he was temporarily insane with rage or some such. Also they'd ask 'is what he did reasonable'. I think a lot of people would say yes.
Personally I don't think he had the right to take his life intentionally, but he did the right thing in defending his daughter.
2012/06/12 06:57:02
Subject: Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death
Phototoxin wrote:I dunno - I think there comes a point where he has neutralised the offence and crossed over to vengeance. I doubt a jury would convict him, and even so they could possibly argue that he was temporarily insane with rage or some such. Also they'd ask 'is what he did reasonable'. I think a lot of people would say yes.
Personally I don't think he had the right to take his life intentionally, but he did the right thing in defending his daughter.
It's hard to determine whether you neutralized the offence already or if more force has to be applied in a situation like that, and I guess judge and jury will be aware of that. I mean, it's not like people have a big shiny health bar over their head - maybe it was evene his first punch that was the lethal one, we don't know that.
I also don't think the father will be charged with anything.
2012/06/12 06:59:18
Subject: Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death
Phototoxin wrote:I dunno - I think there comes a point where he has neutralised the offence and crossed over to vengeance. I doubt a jury would convict him, and even so they could possibly argue that he was temporarily insane with rage or some such. Also they'd ask 'is what he did reasonable'. I think a lot of people would say yes.
Personally I don't think he had the right to take his life intentionally, but he did the right thing in defending his daughter.
It's hard to determine whether you neutralized the offence already or if more force has to be applied in a situation like that, and I guess judge and jury will be aware of that. I mean, it's not like people have a big shiny health bar over their head - maybe it was evene his first punch that was the lethal one, we don't know that.
I also don't think the father will be charged with anything.
I honestly would not be surprised if he gets charged with the most minor offense you can get for killing somebody and then plea-bargaining out to a sentence with minimal, if any, jailtime.
2012/06/12 07:06:06
Subject: Re:Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death
deathholydeath wrote:I'm quite aware of what "my mentality" is really about. Thus, the reference to Seven Days
You miss the point. You referenced a movie in which a father who's daughter actually suffered, and what that leads him to.
But you are not a guy who's daughter has suffered that. You're just a guy on the internet who read about that happening to someone else, leading you to write "Child rapists don't deserve dignity, just torture and death."
That attitude, dreaming up horrible punishments to inflict on other people not because of personal trauma but just because, that kind of thing is better explored with the sheer, unrelenting ugliness of Snowtown.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2012/06/12 07:19:36
Subject: Re:Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death
deathholydeath wrote:I'm quite aware of what "my mentality" is really about. Thus, the reference to Seven Days
You miss the point. You referenced a movie in which a father who's daughter actually suffered, and what that leads him to.
But you are not a guy who's daughter has suffered that. You're just a guy on the internet who read about that happening to someone else, leading you to write "Child rapists don't deserve dignity, just torture and death."
That attitude, dreaming up horrible punishments to inflict on other people not because of personal trauma but just because, that kind of thing is better explored with the sheer, unrelenting ugliness of Snowtown.
You have absolutely no idea who I am or what I've been through.
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