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Not sure if this is the right place for this thread, but I recently came into 3 of the old versions of the Ork Trukk. They're much smaller than the new models, so it seems like they wouldn't really work as Trukks anymore. My question is do you think it would be acceptable to use them as war buggies? They're only slightly bigger, and it'd be easy enough to mount some guns onto the back.

Considering what I've seen some people use as ork vehicles I'd say no problem, especially since the current buggies suck!

You will have much more problems when using them as trukks, believe me

Orks basically get away with anything that has at least three wheels and a gun to count as buggies.

Jidmah wrote:You will have much more problems when using them as trukks, believe me

Orks basically get away with anything that has at least three wheels and a gun to count as buggies.

Even Hot Wheels?

So I could just get a 45. Taurus Revolver, strap it to a small children's toy and call it Orky?

If you paint it red, add an ork and some glyphs?

Yes.

BlapBlapBlap wrote:

Jidmah wrote:You will have much more problems when using them as trukks, believe me

Orks basically get away with anything that has at least three wheels and a gun to count as buggies.

Even Hot Wheels?

So I could just get a 45. Taurus Revolver, strap it to a small children's toy and call it Orky?

sounds legit.

BlapBlapBlap wrote:

Jidmah wrote:You will have much more problems when using them as trukks, believe me

Orks basically get away with anything that has at least three wheels and a gun to count as buggies.

Even Hot Wheels?

So I could just get a 45. Taurus Revolver, strap it to a small children's toy and call it Orky?

If you make it look basic orky, then yes knock yourself out.

Ork lore and fluff has them lootin' an' convertin' everything they can get your hands on.

Anything really that has wheels and is the same dimensions as the proper model should be fine.

BlapBlapBlap wrote:

Jidmah wrote:You will have much more problems when using them as trukks, believe me
Orks basically get away with anything that has at least three wheels and a gun to count as buggies.

Even Hot Wheels?
So I could just get a 45. Taurus Revolver, strap it to a small children's toy and call it Orky?

sounds legit. Just paint it red cuz red 'uns go fasta and paint da rokkitz yellow cuz it gives it moar dakka!

Nearly anything goes with Ork vehicles. I don't have two the same.

GimbleMuggernaught wrote:Not sure if this is the right place for this thread, but I recently came into 3 of the old versions of the Ork Trukk. They're much smaller than the new models, so it seems like they wouldn't really work as Trukks anymore. My question is do you think it would be acceptable to use them as war buggies? They're only slightly bigger, and it'd be easy enough to mount some guns onto the back.

I've put guns on the back and used them as a buggie before.

The problem is that the orks sitting in the driving seat are extremely out of scale. Could you do something to replace them with grots?

Surprising what you can do with them really..

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/182052.page?userfilterid=4881 - scroll down, more pics after broken links in first post.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/417124.page#3684772

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/4170/233422.page#4061041

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/343945.page

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?10168-Gorkamorka-Trukk-WIP

BlapBlapBlap wrote:

Jidmah wrote:You will have much more problems when using them as trukks, believe me

Orks basically get away with anything that has at least three wheels and a gun to count as buggies.

Even Hot Wheels?

So I could just get a 45. Taurus Revolver, strap it to a small children's toy and call it Orky?

This is the barrel of a toy gun.


Yes, you can make it happen it Ork land

Since I've been collecting Orks for over 14 years I have quite a few of the older ork trukks.

They still get used as trukks and no one can say otherwise because they are still trukks.

Saying you can't use them as trukks anymore is like saying you can no longer use the old style rhinos or landspeeders in a marine army.

That said, a lot of people will be annoyed at having to play vs them (legal or not) unless your army is ALL old-sclae models, since they can claim obscured from grots, which the current model cannot.

If every model in your army is current but the old trukks, it gives a bad impression of advantage seeking, kind of like using the old Ghaz model that's the same size as an ork boy, or the old Eldar avatar that's on a similar scale..


Mine became buggies, but i occasionally dust off my old RT/2nd ED orks and run them as trukks again, for nostalgia games. I've never had anyone complain when i'm running a whole ancient-model army.

The old Rhinos and Landspeeders are slightly smaller than the current ones, but there isn't the HUGE gap between sizes the Trukk has.

Jayden63 wrote:Since I've been collecting Orks for over 14 years I have quite a few of the older ork trukks.

They still get used as trukks and no one can say otherwise because they are still trukks.

Saying you can't use them as trukks anymore is like saying you can no longer use the old style rhinos or landspeeders in a marine army.

I am in total agreement.
Though in order to avoid conflicts I do go out of my way to avoid LOS issues that might pop up due to the size-difference.

Yes it has some advantages over the current one, but its got downsides as well. Its a lot smaller, so itd be much easier to cover completely with another unit and blow it up, forcing the unit inside to be instantly killed. Not to mention you have less real estate to pop out what ever is inside. I wouldnt really give hoot if someone wanted to use them as normal trukks.

KingCracker wrote:Yes it has some advantages over the current one, but its got downsides as well. Its a lot smaller, so itd be much easier to cover completely with another unit and blow it up, forcing the unit inside to be instantly killed. Not to mention you have less real estate to pop out what ever is inside. I wouldnt really give hoot if someone wanted to use them as normal trukks.

True enough They can also navigate holes smaller than a trukk could navigate, or be completely hidden by scenery more easily, but the pro/con argument on them has been done to death many many times since then new trukks dropped.

I've run into some VERY uptight people on the issue, but then some people take this game a tad too seriously.

I've played games against a guy using old Transformers toys as trukks and BW's before It doesn't bother me all that much, but some folk do get bent out of shape about it, and they do have a point LOS-wise.


Trying to visualize 6 meganobz riding one of the old trukks into battle is always good for a chuckle though..

Use them as warbuggies. They will be fine!

Ascalam wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Yes it has some advantages over the current one, but its got downsides as well. Its a lot smaller, so itd be much easier to cover completely with another unit and blow it up, forcing the unit inside to be instantly killed. Not to mention you have less real estate to pop out what ever is inside. I wouldnt really give hoot if someone wanted to use them as normal trukks.

True enough They can also navigate holes smaller than a trukk could navigate, or be completely hidden by scenery more easily, but the pro/con argument on them has been done to death many many times since then new trukks dropped.

I've run into some VERY uptight people on the issue, but then some people take this game a tad too seriously.

I've played games against a guy using old Transformers toys as trukks and BW's before It doesn't bother me all that much, but some folk do get bent out of shape about it, and they do have a point LOS-wise.


Trying to visualize 6 meganobz riding one of the old trukks into battle is always good for a chuckle though..

I dont really care what someone uses as long as it isnt confusing and roughly the correct size. I dont want someone saying well heres my BW rush list and its all old school trukks, then I would have a problem with it. So yea, people need to chillax a bit about this game.


Also I agree with the above, they would make awesome buggies, as long as those buggies have rokkits on them

Ascalam wrote:

Trying to visualize 6 meganobz riding one of the old trukks into battle is always good for a chuckle though..

Here is what is most funny. The new trukk bed only has 3/8" of an inch more length and 1/8" more width of actual flat bed space than the old one. So it cant actually hold even one more model than the old one. The only thing that the new trukk has over the old one is height and length, and on the length thats pretty much just the engine. Height is a bit of an issue because the new one is twice as tall.

Here are some pics I took a long time ago.

Height is definitely the issue. The old one can get cover from grots.

I don't tend to play orcs anymore competitively for this very reason. I got tired of playing 40k and having opponents and onlookers imply that Im trying to take advantage of something because I use GW models I bought years ago.

Orks were my first army. I played them a long time (maybe late 90s?). I think a lot of newer 40k players don't know that there was a huge block of time that ork players had no "offical" vehicles. (except maybe bikers if you wanna call them vehicles). The two vehicles ork players had were from the specialist game GorkaMorka- those small trukks and the STILL current traks. I think the 2 styles of buggy were actually the only official ork vehicle. GW had the vehicles in the codex but no offical vehicle models. So, ork players had to build their own vehicles. I know I still have a few ork vehicles made with dollar store plastic tank parts and scraps from other Armies. To make a guntrukk, I put a zappgun in the bed of a trukk.

I have seven old style trukks that I still play with. I play the speed freek style: all vehicles, no footsloggers. So theres no problem with grots blocking los. Trukks are so weak, someone with st 4 can punch one and destroy it. I was lucky to get 2 turns out of a trukk, before it blew up and careened somewhere.

I think its bad policy to start treating models like codices and rule books and start saying you can't play a model cause a new one came out. That old trukk model was an offical GW model for orks. It should be allowed.

Technically, the model is legal to use as is.

It is an official GW Trukk model and you are using it as a Trukk. There is absolutly no leway on rules argumentation for it not being legal.

Same reason that old terminators on 25mm bases are still just fine(if a little hidious)

The legality isn't really in dispute. Its legal. The OP's question was whether they would work as warbuggies, and they would work fine for that too

The size difference question is more of a 'should you' than a 'can you' really.

By the same token i could field units of old DE grotesques as Grotesques, despite the radical difference in size. They were sold to me as grotesques, so legally they are grotesques (even though Wracks are now what Grotesques used to be, really). It would be legal to field them, but it would sure get me some funny and disapproving looks, even if the pros and cons balanced out

I would play someone who did this, and not have an issue with it, but i could see why someone else wouldn't be cool with it.

use em as buggies, use em as trukks... do what you want. heck rig up 2 rokkit launchers and call it either a trukk with 2 rokkits or a rokkit buggeis for whatever you feel liek using it as.

I have one old battlewagon (given to me by another player who no longer plays orks and had it laying around)mixed in with my new battlewagons and you better believe that sometimes it gets pulled out for something different, or if i decide i want 5 battlewagons down then having only 4 of the newer model i will 100% legitimately use it for my 5th

Phydox wrote:I don't tend to play orcs anymore competitively for this very reason. I got tired of playing 40k and having opponents and onlookers imply that Im trying to take advantage of something because I use GW models I bought years ago.

The Problem is, that some people are actually collecting old models off ebay, and then mix new and old trukks or rhinos to hide more valuable cargo, like nobz or sternguard.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't be allowed to field your old models. We have a player who bought the entire IG artillery off forgeworld before they were made by GW. You know, like basilisks without a vehicle underneath? I have absolutely no issue with that.
I'm just saying that some people will be idiots and give you a hard time. Because other people are being idiots and exploiting old models to their advantage.

I was mainly wondering for less casual games. The guys I play with are generally pretty cool about that kind of thing, but I wouldn't necessarily want to show up at a tournament using all these tiny little trukks and having everyone give me grief about it.

GimbleMuggernaught wrote:I was mainly wondering for less casual games. The guys I play with are generally pretty cool about that kind of thing, but I wouldn't necessarily want to show up at a tournament using all these tiny little trukks and having everyone give me grief about it.

Man, just throw some dakka on the back and call those mugs buggies. Tell them to talk to your TL rokkits if they have a problem

I like the old models, indeed the old ork trukk and the skorcha trakk are two of my favourite models; partially because I remember really wanting them when I first started tabletop wargaming as a young teenager, and also because they have a nice simplicity to them which suits the orks.