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Hi Members,
While I don't own an IG army, I was fooling around with my Army Builder software and don't see Catachan JFs there anymore. Can a player use Catachan jungle fighters in their IG army?

Thanks
Sandy


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I see a penal legion squad but they have a +5 save which seems unusual for bare chested guys!! Perhaps Cat JF can be proxied!!

That codex is third edition, so no. Unless your enemy also has a 3rd edition army, or they're willing to get hold of a 3rd edition army book and "play as" a third edition army.
you'll also need the 3rd edition rules.

GW doesn't have any official list of which codexes or supplements are allowed.

Most tournaments have a standard list (which almost all pickup players will follow) that only included the latest codex released for each army (and, things like GK override DH) and anything that appears as official in White Dwarf.

So, no, IG armies are not typically considered legit (they came out in 4th, before the latest IG codex). But, you should be able to find some players who will happily play you in a friendly game!

Short answer, not as such.

Penal legion aren't all bare chested buffoons. Also Catachan vests are made of flak resistant material, hence the 5+ (just so they don't have to make a completely separate unit/ codex).

The current regular Codex: IG Has some of the Catachan-specific characters, it is what you use for all IG armies that are not Elysian, Krieg, or Armoured Company(those are Forge world supplemented).

You can still by the jungle fighters models(also Vostroyans) from GW.

P.S.: your best bet for the old Jungle fighters are Veteran Squads, but Penal Legionaries also work rather well given their special rules(of course they cannot have special weapons though).

Hikaru-119 wrote:Penal legion aren't all bare chested buffoons. Also Catachan vests are made of flak resistant material, hence the 5+ (just so they don't have to make a completely separate unit/ codex).

Catachans get 5+ because of game reasons. There's no fluff reason whatsoever why this dude:


Should have the same armour save as this dude:

The first guy is obviously has a bigger gun that can stop bullets.

I have no idea why for ages the only plastic IG models, were ones that were hiddeously disfigured. It's obvious they couldn't do plastic muscles but they still went with it.

The first guys apparent physical resilience coupled with the ability to use light scrub as an effective barrier between himself and the enemy against low velocity rounds would add a 5+ armour save.

Happyjew wrote:Short answer, not as such.

This about sums it up. But no one would have any problem if you were to use them as standard IG. Just use lasgunners as standard guardsmen, flamers as special weapons, ridiculously muscular Rambo types as veterans.

nkon117 wrote:

Happyjew wrote:Short answer, not as such.

This about sums it up. But no one would have any problem if you were to use them as standard IG. Just use lasgunners as standard guardsmen, flamers as special weapons, ridiculously muscular Rambo types as veterans.

I don't know why anyone would try to say this. The current IG codex is written to allow you to play with any of the IG models, including Catachan Jungle Fighters.

If you want to create an IG army that 'feels' more like the old Jungle Fighters codex, then by all means do so! Just focus more on infantry than tanks and you can completely create an army with a similar feeling to what you used to be able to accomplish with the specific Catachan codex.

While there are Catachan themed unique characters in the codex (Straken, Harker & Marbo), you can also always use any of the other unique characters in your army and simply play them using a Jungle Fighter themed model if you feel that their rules help to compliment your idea of how the Jungle Fighters should fight (like using Al'Rahem to outflank a platoon, for example).

In addition the 'forward sentries' option for Veterans is basically perfect for Jungle Fighters as well (ok, more Tanith, but still it works)...or you can take 'demolitions' for your Vets if you have the old Catachan model with a demo charge.


So yes, the current codex was specifically designed to allow you to construct pretty much any type of IG regiment, including Catachans.

Kommissar Kel wrote:P.S.: your best bet for the old Jungle fighters are Veteran Squads, but Penal Legionaries also work rather well given their special rules(of course they cannot have special weapons though).

Aye, this. I used Catachans as Veterans in my IG army in order to have them look different than the rank-and-file. Big, muscular guys that have dumped all the extra gear and go in with only the weapons needed for the job.

I seem to remember something about Catachans getting all their Death-World bonuses at cost of making their 5+ a 6+? Or was it that they could just never take Carapace?

Either way, their plot armor is thicker than the average Cadian due to concentrated badassery.

DoW

The IG codex is another stupid conglomeration of all IG codices, despite all the ways why that is is a fail idea. So you already have a catachan book, it's called IG. If you don't approve of the army including everything and thereby having less personality then you should report this to GW. I'm sure they care. Another alternative is to play marines, except the ones that got lamed by being put in the SM codex.

Catachans get their armor save because they are extra beefy, it's been that way always.

I personally bought JF just to use as penal legionairres. While it stereotypes jail people as all meatheads, at least it's not rascist as well. I've seen unmodified jungle fighters 90% black and painted in prison stripes.

The plastic models might make you sad though, they are a bit dated.

DogOfWar wrote:I seem to remember something about Catachans getting all their Death-World bonuses at cost of making their 5+ a 6+? Or was it that they could just never take Carapace?

Either way, their plot armor is thicker than the average Cadian due to concentrated badassery.

DoW

Back in the day when you could use Doctrines I believe that Catachan armies were light infantry. this reduced their armour to 6+ but gave back terrain bonuses. The current codex makes no rules distinction between the different regiments.