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I've looked at the 40k map and it looks more like a galaxy. Is the map a galaxy or a universe?

40K takes place in the Milky Way Galaxy 40,000 years from now.

^This^

Galaxy. The only confirmed extra-galactic threats are the Tyranids.

and orks

Orks are only seen as partially extragalactic... they were created in our galaxy, but may have begun to sperad out beyond it...

thx eveyone. I've been told that it is based in the universe.
+ Knowing that it is a Galaxy I have a story for my marines.

It is a map... of a galaxy.. our galaxy...

...the milkyway...

XD

Hillbilly wrote:thx eveyone. I've been told that it is based in the universe.
+ Knowing that it is a Galaxy I have a story for my marines.

The "universe" of the background is everything pertaining of and relating to the 40K hobby and background. Its like the Star Trek "universe" is entirely different to the 40K "universe", even though they both take place ion the same galaxy, i.e. ours.

Flinty wrote:

Hillbilly wrote:thx eveyone. I've been told that it is based in the universe.
+ Knowing that it is a Galaxy I have a story for my marines.

The "universe" of the background is everything pertaining of and relating to the 40K hobby and background. Its like the Star Trek "universe" is entirely different to the 40K "universe", even though they both take place ion the same galaxy, i.e. ours.

This.

The milky way galaxy, in 40,000 years. Lol

Wrakkar wrote:Orks are only seen as partially extragalactic... they were created in our galaxy, but may have begun to sperad out beyond it...

It's been confirmed in the Ork codex. It talks about probes the AdMech have sent outside the galaxy, and have found Orks.

Lol, damn orks. I wonder why the imperium hasnt explored it yet?

Brother Thomas wrote:Lol, damn orks. I wonder why the imperium hasnt explored it yet?

You wonder why the Imperium hasn't tried exploring outside the galaxy already teeming with a billion different problems and hundreds of worlds they know they can use?

purplefood wrote:

Brother Thomas wrote:Lol, damn orks. I wonder why the imperium hasnt explored it yet?

You wonder why the Imperium hasn't tried exploring outside the galaxy already teeming with a billion different problems and hundreds of worlds they know they can use?

sounds idiotic right? exactly what the imperium would do then lol


"hey boss we found a gate with faces and guts all over it"

"does it have a button that says "on""

"yes.. but .. you know... the faces and blood and what not"

"press the button"

"oh noes DeamonsZZZ"

The plot to every novel ever

The funny thing about the picture, is that it doesn't look anything like the Milkyway galaxy.
But don’t forget that galaxy that is heading towards us. I think it was called the (A-dom-a-jom) I think that’s how you say it.

Brother Thomas wrote:Lol, damn orks. I wonder why the imperium hasnt explored it yet?

Astromincon(spelling) doesn't extend that far...it doesn't even cover all of the milky way. Ergo, travel really isn't possible/efficient

Nevermind

Titan84 wrote:Nevermind

Nevermind what?

I use this map the most when trying to figure out where things are in relation to each other:

http://www.scholaprogenium.com/40kmap.jpg

And yes, It is the Milky Way Galaxy.

40k takes place in the Milky Way Galaxy.

The 40k concept (with all its stuff in it. from the imperium and its stuff to the orks and so on) is refered to as a "Universe".

just like how HALO or CoD have their own "Universe" (or their own setting if you will)


As for anything beyond our galaxy... well you think the distance between stars would take a long time..... wait till you leave the country (galaxy) then try and takea flight to the next country (galaxy).... its gonna take alot of airplane food and a heck of a long time.

Huffy wrote:

Brother Thomas wrote:Lol, damn orks. I wonder why the imperium hasnt explored it yet?

Astromincon(spelling) doesn't extend that far...it doesn't even cover all of the milky way. Ergo, travel really isn't possible/efficient

That and it is a LLLLOOONNNNGGGG way to the next galaxy. The milky way is 100k light-years. We have allot of small satalite galaxys that are not to far away (i.e. less than 100k light years from us) as part of the local group. These are mostly dead galaxies with little star formation and lots of dead stars and red dwarfs, so little chance of being habitable, young gas galaxies which will be full of star formation but also very very violent places. The nearest viable galaxy is Andromeda. It is part of our local group but is 2.5 million light years from earth. Then there is the Triangulum Galaxy at 3 million.

These are way outside the astronomicon, which dose not even cover the whole milky way, and a long way to travel when there is more than enough to worry about local to us.

I see no reason why a rogue trader could not have gone outside the galaxy to satalite galaxies, but I doubt there would be much to see.

Orks however just jump on a passing rock, strap on some warp engines (I can't remeber the name), add a force field, add some air and off they go to where ever the warp takes them, be that inside the galaxy or not they don't realy care. If it is somewhere there is a good fight all the better.

Outside of fluff worlds work better when there is an "edge" to them. You need bounds to your story. GW have made the milky way as the "world" they work in.

Brother Thomas wrote:Lol, damn orks. I wonder why the imperium hasnt explored it yet?

thats actually the whole point of imperial approved rogue Traders

Hillbilly wrote:

Titan84 wrote:Nevermind

Nevermind what?

I posed a question where if the immaterium is limited to just the milky way galaxy (1 galaxy, 1 immaterium) or if the immaterium covers the whole wide universe (hundreds of billions of galaxies). I changed it and posted my own thread which didn't really give me an answer. Considering how much life is in the 40k Milky Way Galaxy it's safe to assume the other galaxy's are just as populated. So if it's 1 immaterium for the whole universe, shouldn't chaos be super duper strong? Maybe it is and the IOM is just a small thorn in their side?

Titan84 wrote:

Hillbilly wrote:

Titan84 wrote:Nevermind

Nevermind what?

I posed a question where if the immaterium is limited to just the milky way galaxy (1 galaxy, 1 immaterium) or if the immaterium covers the whole wide universe (hundreds of billions of galaxies). I changed it and posted my own thread which didn't really give me an answer. Considering how much life is in the 40k Milky Way Galaxy it's safe to assume the other galaxy's are just as populated. So if it's 1 immaterium for the whole universe, shouldn't chaos be super duper strong? Maybe it is and the IOM is just a small thorn in their side?

The best answer I can think of to that would be that the endless light-years of space devoid of sapient life are mirrored in a similarly-uncrossable void in the warp. Perhaps other galaxies have their own equivalents, but the Chaos gods seem too strongly tied to the history of the Milky Way galaxy for "our" warp to be universe-wide.

English Assassin wrote:

Titan84 wrote:

Hillbilly wrote:

Titan84 wrote:Nevermind

Nevermind what?

I posed a question where if the immaterium is limited to just the milky way galaxy (1 galaxy, 1 immaterium) or if the immaterium covers the whole wide universe (hundreds of billions of galaxies). I changed it and posted my own thread which didn't really give me an answer. Considering how much life is in the 40k Milky Way Galaxy it's safe to assume the other galaxy's are just as populated. So if it's 1 immaterium for the whole universe, shouldn't chaos be super duper strong? Maybe it is and the IOM is just a small thorn in their side?

The best answer I can think of to that would be that the endless light-years of space devoid of sapient life are mirrored in a similarly-uncrossable void in the warp. Perhaps other galaxies have their own equivalents, but the Chaos gods seem too strongly tied to the history of the Milky Way galaxy for "our" warp to be universe-wide.

This

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

Brother Thomas wrote:Lol, damn orks. I wonder why the imperium hasnt explored it yet?

thats actually the whole point of imperial approved rogue Traders

Not exactly. Rogue Traders explore the 40k milky way. They are profit driven. The current galaxy teems with wealth, pre-settled human worlds, and lost STC templates. It takes months to years to cross the galaxy within the bounds of the astronomic. It would take centuries to millennia to travel to other galaxies. The Rogue Trader wouldn't live to see the profit, if any. There would be no pre-settled human colonies, STCs, or even any guarantee that it still hosted life. Extra galactic exploration just isn't done in 40k, aside from some ad-mech probes. There is nothing humans want/need out htere yet, and no reliable way to get there.

Titan84 wrote:

Hillbilly wrote:

Titan84 wrote:Nevermind

Nevermind what?

I posed a question where if the immaterium is limited to just the milky way galaxy (1 galaxy, 1 immaterium) or if the immaterium covers the whole wide universe (hundreds of billions of galaxies). I changed it and posted my own thread which didn't really give me an answer. Considering how much life is in the 40k Milky Way Galaxy it's safe to assume the other galaxy's are just as populated. So if it's 1 immaterium for the whole universe, shouldn't chaos be super duper strong? Maybe it is and the IOM is just a small thorn in their side?

I made a big post about this in another thread, which I'll try to sum up here.

The immaterial is another universe, another dimension, that is loosely bound to the physical universe of 40k. It is naturally a calm, placid place, with peaceful local life forms. These features made it a convenient travel shortcut for the materium. Being another universe, yes there is one immaterial for the entire universe, and it can likely be used for travel in other galaxies the same way it can in the Milky Way.

Native life in the immaterium appears to congregate around linked points in the physical universe, much like sea life gathers around buoys and abandoned ships in the ocean. It provides an anchor for ecosystems to grow. So likely any galaxy hosts similar ecosystems floating in the otherwise tranquil and empty immaterium. There may also be other life forms that live between galaxies, as some sea life travels the great currents of the ocean. But most life is going to be concentrated around galaxies with life in the materium.

The Immaterium is susceptible to psychic emotional emanations from psychically active races in the Milky Way, in two important ways. The first is acting as psychic "pollution". This is both a boon and a curse for the Immaterium. Much like how limited "pollution" from cities or ships can provide nourishment and habitation for sea life, but large quantities prove poisonous and destructive, small amounts of emotional emanations from the materium provided sustenance and anchor for life in the Immaterium, but the large quantities of intense, violent energy generated by the war in heaven, the rise of humanity, and the fall of the Eldar proved disastrous. Most of the native life has been driven insane by the psychic 'pollution' of the Materium and new, violent, virulent life forms (daemons) have also evolved to fill the ecological niche.

Aside from just causing psychic pollution emotional emanations from the materium churn up the fabric of the warp. Like a pebble being dropped in a pool of water, emotions cause ripples in the Immaterium. The more intense the emotions the bigger the ripples. Huge quantities have resulted in a violent, warp storms, reefs, rip tides, and other forms of turbulence.

These two effects have combined to make the local warp a hellish dimention of insane, nightmare creatures, virulent psychic parasites, and churning, roiling warp storms and currents.

However, these effects are localized. The further you get from areas of psychic violence (places of psychic pollution) the less violently distorted the warp seems to be. So each galaxy likely has its own, unique warp ecosystem, while the void between galaxies is likely fairly serene and empty.

Some galaxies (like ours) are going to be like the ocean around a major port like Cairo i.e. polluted and dangerous, full of parasites on human civilization and dangerous predators. Others will be like an untouched collection of reefs and islands in the pacific, teeming with natural life.

I really hope enough people have said it's the Milky way, because I'm getting tired of reading it. everyone with something important to say, thank you as for the "other galaxies with their own warps" idea, a question I've always had was: What would the warp be like in the galaxy (or galaxies) that the Tyranids have conquered? If the Hive Mind is a single living psyker that is larger than multiple star systems, how do you think he mingles with the chaos gods? do they exist over there? is the Hive Mind even stronger?

In galaxies the nids have wiped clean one can assume that there are no gods present as there are no life forms to sustain them in any manner. So the warp over in those galaxies is most likely very, very calm. And judging from how you asked your question, it seems that you think that Nids stay in the galaxies they've consumed. That'd be incorrect. The nids are a nomadic race moving as a whole from galaxy to galaxy consuming all life before moving on. And from what one can gleam from fluff, the hive mind is not a single living psyker but rather a warp presence created by many living things (the nids) and is confined to whatever region of space the Tyranids happen to inhabit at any given time. Is it stronger than the gods of chaos? Not sure of that one but I believe there's some fluff that shows daemons fleeing the presence of the Hive Mind aka the Shadow in the Warp (which, for all intents and purposes, is a big nasty null field).