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Can a Necron monolith deepstrike and shoot all its weapons as if it were stationary?

A Monolith can now deep strike and fire as if stationary, altho that does NOT mean it can fire all of it's weapons. Hint: One of them is Ordnance........................

which one isn't like the others, which one doesn't belong...

On the same par, you can you use the Gate and Whip same turn, I believe the Gate is more of an ability then a weapon..

the gate is a shooting attack.

otherwise, the teleport unit thing happens start of movment phase, wich i think is before the monolith deepstrikes? or can you DS it, then disembark a unit?

The Dimensional Corridor is indeed used at the start of the Movement phase and therefore may not be used on the turn that the Monolith deep strikes.

don_mondo wrote:A Monolith can now deep strike and fire as if stationary, altho that does NOT mean it can fire all of it's weapons. Hint: One of them is Ordnance........................

For now. I'm hoping they change the way ordannce works in 6th otherwise the Monoliths "Heavy" rule effectively does nothing.

I was actually surprised they made it ordnance in the first place. Wasn't it just a large blast in the old 'dex?

Praxiss wrote:I was actually surprised they made it ordnance in the first place. Wasn't it just a large blast in the old 'dex?

Nope, sorry. In the old codex the particle whip was an ordnance weapon.

huh. Live and learn.

Praxiss wrote:....otherwise the Monoliths "Heavy" rule effectively does nothing.

It does allow the 'Lith to DS and fire it's Flux Arcs without being a fast vehicle.

I do believe someone else said what is attributed to me above................

don_mondo wrote:I do believe someone else said what is attributed to me above................

Sorry, will edit.

time wizard wrote:

Praxiss wrote:I was actually surprised they made it ordnance in the first place. Wasn't it just a large blast in the old 'dex?

Nope, sorry. In the old codex the particle whip was an ordnance weapon.

It was also Strength 9 with the center of the blast template being AP1... *grumble grumble grumble...*

But yeah as stated previously, you do have the issue of the Whip being Ordnance, though there are rumors that all Heavy Vehicles may become pretty much Super Heavies with 1 structure point so it may change to allow the shooting of everything... then again, it is a rumor so don't get your hopes up.

We'll find it in just over a week.

If I read the rumour thread correctly, the lith will be able to fire the whip and then snap fire the other weapons..

Also, since all skimmers get jink, the monolith has a 5+ cover save if it moves 0.0000001+ inches.

But as Praxiss said ... we'll find out in a week.

A giant slow moving building is going to dodge a shot?

grendel083 wrote:A giant slow moving building is going to dodge a shot?

Same way it dodges rams.

dimensional shifting.

Probably via the Hawking field(Necrons/Imperium know enough about Nicolai Tesla to name their Lightning guns after him, why not name a non-existent dimensional shunting field to fluffully explain how the monolith dodges anything after Stephen Hawking).

grendel083 wrote:A giant slow moving building is going to dodge a shot?

Scarabs is going to be my first bet, or the Living metal doesn't care 1/3th of the time.

I really hope ordinance for heavy weapons ignore that silly rule. If I remember right you can fire everything at different targets on a monolith. (like a ghost ark, which makes sense to me)

ordnance rules re going to eb the key for the 'Lith. If you can fire other weapson after ordnance the 'lith will never need to use Snapshot.

Thanks to the Heavy rule, it always counts as stationary for moving, and a stationary tank can fire everything at normal BS.

If the ordnance rule changes i might start fielding my monoliths in larger games. if not they will become Necron Bastions (counting the crystal a the quad gun AA upgrade)

That idea tickles my fancy. I agree that they used to be the single most OP armor in the game but after a much needed nerf they became rather obsolete.

Even then they would only really come into their own on a successful Deepstrike fairly close to the enemy. that gives you essentially 4 heavy bolter (with Gauss) that can target different units, a S8 large Blast, and "table edge" where you can tleport units from anywhere on the table (except from CC obviously).

it's a big thing to avoid a Mishap with.

Ummmm... The old monolith pretty much said screw the mishap table. If it came down on top of a unit, the unit had to move out of the way for the monolith which suffered no mishap. And back then it was S9

Indeed. Now it is S8 and can mishap, and as it is such a big thing the safest way to avoid a mishap is to DS it a safe distance away.

Last codex you could just dump it smack on top of anythgin and blast away with D6 shots to every unit in range.

And it was immune to Melta...


/sigh.

King Pariah wrote:Ummmm... The old monolith pretty much said screw the mishap table. If it came down on top of a unit, the unit had to move out of the way for the monolith which suffered no mishap. And back then it was S9

Nope, only if it were destroyed did you move models out the way instead. You could still be put back in reserves or misplaced.

So now that 6th edition is pretty much "out there" would it be accurate to say with the new Heavy rule the Monolith can move 6" and fire everything? I haven't seen anyone even mention if the Ordnance rule is still in the game at all (at least I haven't seen it) which would lead one to believe that the Monolith is pretty much laughing at this point!

Well, except for no Deep Strike protection. Man I hope that gets FAQ'd >.<

Moving does not matter.
If it fires Ordinance, it can only Snap Shoot the other weapons. So the Flux Arcs, since the door doesn't use BS, and 'guns' that don't use BS can't be snap shot.

So the Whip and miss-happy Arcs, or the Door and accurate Arcs.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:Moving does not matter.
If it fires Ordinance, it can only Snap Shoot the other weapons. So the Flux Arcs, since the door doesn't use BS, and 'guns' that don't use BS can't be snap shot.

So the Whip and miss-happy Arcs, or the Door and accurate Arcs.

So Ordnance allows Snap Shooting other weapons now? I hadn't read that, thanks for the info!

Ordinance disallows non-vehicle models from moving and shooting it, and disallows non-vehicle models from firing any other weapons. I'm not seeing a restriction at all for vehicles.

Bottom of page 71.


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Heavy does essentially nothing for the 'lith, sadly.
I'm really starting to want a revised edition of this codex.

Page 51 under Ordnance weapons

"A non-vehicle model carrying an Ordnance weapon cannont fire in the shooting phase if he moved in the preceding movement phase and cannot fire as snap shots. Furthermore, if a non-vehicle model fires an Ordnance weapon, then the massive recoil from the Ordnance weapon means that the model cannot fire other weapons that phase, nor will it be able to charge in the ensuing assault phase."

Please note the usage of non-vehicle models, and never mentioning vehicles in this paragraph.

Page 71

Vehicles & Ordnance Weapons
"Unlike other units, vehicles can move and fire with Ordnance weapons. However, a vehicle that fires an Ordnance weapon can only make Snap Shots with it's other weapons that turn."

So, it can move 6" fire it's Particle Whip, and Snap Fire the Gauss Weapons or it can teleport units in, move, and fire at normal BS with Gauss, and use the gate of eternity.

As a bonus I'd like to add all Skimmers have jink. If the monolith moves at all it gets a 5+ cover save. As a heavy skimmer however, it cannot ever move at cruising speed (opting not to shoot, and able to move an extra 6 inches) For example a Rhino can move 12 inches, choose not to shoot, and move an extra 6" to count as moving flat out for a total of 18 inches. This Rhino can then move 6", disembark it's troops 6" and then shoot with them, but not assault. (as a side note, you can only ever move 6" and disembark unless otherwise specified, although you can now disembark 6", instead of 2", and when you're wrecked, you're allowed a disembark of 3" (instead of the normal 6, or the old rule of 2".)

Also, the cover rules have been changed from 50% to be considered obscured, to 25%. This has made it much easier to gain a cover save with the monolith. Also, cover is based on what type of terrain you're behind/being obscured with. So if it's ruins you're 25% of the facing behind, you get a 4+, if it's woods, another unit, or pretty much anything else besides a bastion or fortress, it's a 5+.

The monolith has gotten much better.

Oh, and every necron vehicle is a skimmer, thus gains a jink save when it moves. These vehicles can opt to move flat out in the movement phase (unless it's a heavy skimmer), and move an extra 6" giving them a 4+ jink save. However it's worthwhile to note this.

page 83 Skimmers and Damage results

"If it moved flat out in this, or the previous turn, a skimmer that suffers an immobilized result immediately crashes and it is wrecked."

Keep in mind, immobilized is now a dice roll of 5 on the damage table which would normally be wrecked in the old edition, 4 is weapon, 3 is stunned 1-2 is shaken, 6 of course is explodes. Keep in mind as well, glancings do not trigger a roll on the damage table and only removes a hull point as a result.