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I need an opinion from the YMDC club: I have an upcoming 2v2 tournament that will find my Skaven teamed up with High Elves, who happen to like Lore of Shadow. Tournament rules state that both players will get 2d6 casting dice, so we're looking at a magic-heavy game here. If Withering (Lore of Shadow) is cast on a unit first (unit loses d3 toughness to a minimum of 1), and is reduced to T1, would casting Wither (Skaven: Lore of Plague) actually kill off the unit?

On a side note, considering I'm bringing the Storm Banner and the HE is leaving his shooting at home for a change, any other great and wonderful synergies that cross your mind that I should be looking out for?

I would have to say yes, just make sure you use the shadow spell first as it can reduce them to T1 only where the Skaven spell says they can be reduced to 0 and if so are removed for play. Augments and Hexes do stack, having said that it is a very cheap tactic so expect to lose respect.

Just remember that you may run into opposing nasty combos, although that one is pretty nasty.

It's better on paper.
You're counting on getting two obviously dangerous spells off against the same enemy target. Generally it's easier to just dwellers or 13th spell the enemy and not worry about combo's.

-Matt

Appreciate the feedback. I don't think that this is overly "cheap", considering the difficulty involved in getting both wizards into position and getting both spells off and rolling well enough on the shadow spell's d3 to make it lethal, but then again I'm also a really competitive person.

As for other nasty combos, I've got a couple more up my sleeve. People around here love monsters, and without shooting (i.e. cannons / bolt throwers), they're going to be hard to handle. HE is planning to take a high magic caster as well. Move + long range + storm banner = gutter runner slings not hitting well with the exception of poisoned attacks. Throw in curse of arrow attraction for rerolls and you're looking at an average of 11 wounds regardless of toughness.

^ That assumes, however, that poisoned shooting attacks hit & wound on 6's even when they would need "7"'s or higher (if the target isn't large or has cover). Can anyone confirm that is how poisoned shooting works?


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In regards to the "It's better on paper", this isn't exactly the primary plan for the army, so much as "What if we have 27 total power dice in a turn available to spend against 9 dispel dice?". Just wanted to get some outsiders' opinion on whether or not the spells would interact the way I thought.

And yes, 27 v 9 is a ridiculous number of dice, heralding back to previous editions, and pretty much as silly of a scenario as can be, but if you count the 2x2d6 given by the special rules for this event, include warpstone tokens, channeling, and magic items, it's possible. (d3 tokens, d3 from banner of power, +1 from some silly HE item, etc).

Malecus wrote:

^ That assumes, however, that poisoned shooting attacks hit & wound on 6's even when they would need "7"'s or higher (if the target isn't large or has cover). Can anyone confirm that is how poisoned shooting works?

Poison does NOT work on 7's. pg 73, it specifically says this.

Malecus wrote:^ That assumes, however, that poisoned shooting attacks hit & wound on 6's even when they would need "7"'s or higher (if the target isn't large or has cover). Can anyone confirm that is how poisoned shooting works?

The +1 to hit large targets rule was removed in 8th.

Don't forget the type of allies you are - your wargear, banners, and characters won't benefit his army and vice versa. That's if you can even ally in the first place.

It definitely hinges on the skaven spell not saying that it will only lower the toughness to a minimum of one. I used to use a similar combo all the time in single player games. Chaos Warriors, Withering, Curse of the Leper, unit disappears.

So, how did this work for you in the tournament?