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Seeing as allies are obvious in (if you haven't already seen this thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/456706.page) Come up with the most broken list you can (note the only rumored restriction is that you must fill your compulsorily choices of 1 HQ and 2 troop for your core army and the allied detachment must consist of at least 1HQ & 1 troop choice). Armies can ally with themselves (example 2 separate companies of Ultra marines, 2 separate tyranid hive fleets). Heres a list of allies someone came up with for a frame work:

1)Black Templars: can ally 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
2)Blood Angels: can ally 1,2,3,4,5,6,78,11
3)Dark Angels: can ally 1,2,3,4,5,6,78,11
4)Grey Knights: can ally1,2,3,4,5,6,78,11
5)Imperial Guard: can ally 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, (9, 10 as traitor guard), 11, 14, 15
6)Sisters of Battle: can ally 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,11
7)Space Marines: can ally 1,2,3,4,5,6,78,11
8)Space Wolves: can ally 1,2,3,4,5,6,78,11

Chaos
9)Chaos Daemons: can ally 5 (as traitor guard), 10
10)Chaos Space Marines: can ally 5 (as traitor guard), 9, 14

Eldar
11)Eldar: can ally 4, 5, 7, 8, 14, 15
12)Dark Eldar: can ally 11(kinship)

Others
13)Necrons: 2, 13

14)Orks: can ally 4, 5, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15 as mercenaries.

15)Tau Empire: can ally 2, 4, 5, 7 (Ultramarines)

16)Tyranids: 16

My guess is Templars and nids. Cause they can't work together so they're broke.... This is a stupid premise for a thread dude. Army's that work together clearly aren't broken......

Chancetragedy wrote:My guess is Templars and nids. Cause they can't work together so they're broke.... This is a stupid premise for a thread dude. Army's that work together clearly aren't broken......

Can't tell if your being sarcastic or don't understand the context I'm using broken in.

Perhaps Grey Knights and IG, Grey Knights provide the majority of the killing power, while IG provide mobile cover and anti-armour capabilities. Also you could have purifiers jumping out of a vendetta which is hilarious.

Couple assumptions but if I read your list correctly.

Dark Eldar with Eldar Allies.

Predominanantly dark eldar because they are great killers. All I want is an eldar farseer or two. A guide on a venom or ravager will be awesome. Howling Banshees coming out of a raider (drop off 10 sibarite with dark lance.) Lilith with a doom behind her is scary.

Spartan089 wrote:

Chancetragedy wrote:My guess is Templars and nids. Cause they can't work together so they're broke.... This is a stupid premise for a thread dude. Army's that work together clearly aren't broken......

Can't tell if your being sarcastic or don't understand the context I'm using broken in.

Sorry should have made that clearer. I was being sarcastic. My b.

Company Command Squad with 4 meltas
Chimera
Vendetta
Vendetta
Vendetta
Chimera
Vet Squad with 3 Meltas
Chimera
Vet Squad with 3 Meltas

Draigo
880 Points worth of Paladins

Buttons wrote:Company Command Squad with 4 meltas
Chimera
Vendetta
Vendetta
Vendetta
Chimera
Vet Squad with 3 Meltas
Chimera
Vet Squad with 3 Meltas

Draigo
880 Points worth of Paladins

This made me a bit sick inside....

Draigowing and Farseers. Have fun getting through those saves.

So... Is there actually going to be an ally rule like this? I must've missed something.

Spartan089 wrote:

Buttons wrote:Company Command Squad with 4 meltas
Chimera
Vendetta
Vendetta
Vendetta
Chimera
Vet Squad with 3 Meltas
Chimera
Vet Squad with 3 Meltas

Draigo
880 Points worth of Paladins

This made me a bit sick inside....

If allies can be taken in tournaments that will probably be a very common list.

IG and Dual Lash seems like it would be a bit lame, but not as horribly bad as some combos could be.

Green Tide Horde army with IG Fire Support would also be nasty.

Disco Inferno meets TH/SS would be pretty scary I'd imagine.

Uum Tau mixed with imperial guards.

If the guards are allowed to benefit from markerlights
It isn't 2000 points but i think it would be pretty broken.

HQ battlesuit
6 fire warriors ,markerlight
6 fire warriors ,markerlight
6 pathfinders
6 pathfinders
6 pathfinders
3 squads of 3 broadsides

CCS

PCS
2 squads of guardsmen with autocannons
4 squads of HWS with lascannons

3 squadrons of leman russ battle tanks of your choice

King Pariah wrote:Disco Inferno meets TH/SS would be pretty scary I'd imagine.

Eldrad Avatar mechdar Fire dragons and TH/SS Deathwing

Buttons wrote:Company Command Squad with 4 meltas
Chimera
Vendetta
Vendetta
Vendetta
Chimera
Vet Squad with 3 Meltas
Chimera
Vet Squad with 3 Meltas

Draigo
880 Points worth of Paladins

The problem is Draigowing might not be nearly as powerful in the next edition. If the wound allocation rumors are true, you can't pull those same would allocation magic tricks. With cover saves possibly being reduced, they are not longer getting a 3+ cover save from LC barrages.

While this list looks pretty sick today -- the question is how will it fare in the 6th edition ruleset?

eldar and sisters can allie.......*attempts to contain nerd rage*

I would maybe say guard and daemons as the guard can bring wave 2 in on a 2+ while still giving plenty of cover fire for the rest of your army.....

also, didn't GK+IG brake the game last ed?

Black Templars (or Sisters of Battle) plus a Space Marine (or Blood Angel) librarian and token 5-man tactical squad would be bad enough, since it circumvents a significant weakness in their lists by giving them a psychic hood. Look forward to seeing this in every Templar or Soriritas army... (Oh, and devastators for the Templars too!)

Given that (barring further unexpected changes) it would be easy to say "this chaplain's a Blood Angel, this librarian's a Dark Angel" (or whatever suits), I'd expect all assault marines suddenly to become Blood Angels, all terminators to become Deathwing, etc., etc.

Unless there are some significant restrictions that are as-yet unknown to us, allies are going make all Space Marine armies broken (or, in the case of Space Wolves, more broken).

English Assassin wrote:Black Templars (or Sisters of Battle) plus a Space Marine (or Blood Angel) librarian and token 5-man tactical squad would be bad enough, since it circumvents a significant weakness in their lists by giving them a psychic hood.

No psykers that aren't Grey Knights for the Black Templars, the restriction's in the Codex already (as a remnant from the 3rd edition Codices, but still).

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

English Assassin wrote:Black Templars (or Sisters of Battle) plus a Space Marine (or Blood Angel) librarian and token 5-man tactical squad would be bad enough, since it circumvents a significant weakness in their lists by giving them a psychic hood.

No psykers that aren't Grey Knights for the Black Templars, the restriction's in the Codex already (as a remnant from the 3rd edition Codices, but still).

A detail I had entirely forgotten, but as a restriction it's still easily circumvented by Mr Ward's Grey Knight librarians, albeit at a slightly more significant investment of points.

English Assassin wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

English Assassin wrote:Black Templars (or Sisters of Battle) plus a Space Marine (or Blood Angel) librarian and token 5-man tactical squad would be bad enough, since it circumvents a significant weakness in their lists by giving them a psychic hood.

No psykers that aren't Grey Knights for the Black Templars, the restriction's in the Codex already (as a remnant from the 3rd edition Codices, but still).

A detail I had entirely forgotten, but as a restriction it's still easily circumvented by Mr Ward's Grey Knight librarians, albeit at a slightly more significant investment of points.

I'll just point out that Psychic Hoods were available to Grand Masters and Brother Captains in the Daemonhunters Codex along with loads of psychic powers, so Grey Knights with significant psychic prowess was hardly the invention of Ward (not sure if you were taking a jab at him or not, Internet-expression-issue).

Not really broken by any means (especially with the nerf to FnP), but this is what my Death Guard will be running.

Chaos Sorceror (Familiar w/ Doombolt, Nurgle's Rot, Mark of Nurgle)
Epidemius

Plague Marines x7 (Champ w/ Power Fist, 2x Plasma Gun, Rhino w/ Combi Weapon, Personal Icon)
Plague Marines x7 (Champ w/ Power Fist, 2x Plasma Gun, Rhino w/ Combi Weapon, Personal Icon)
Plaguebearers x10 (Icon, Noxious Touch)
Plaguebearers x10 (Icon, Noxious Touch)

Daemon Prince (Mark of Nurgle, Aura of Decay, Cloud of Flies, Noxious Touch)
Daemon Prince (Mark of Nurgle, Aura of Decay, Cloud of Flies, Noxious Touch)

Total: 1487


And I'll just plead my case to the club that plague marines count as nurgle units, therefore should benefit from Epidemius. Original force has 1 HQ and 2 troops, allies have 1 HQ and 2 troops, so both technically legal.

Again, not a great list, but certainly fun as all hell. I was even considering trying to fit in Ku'gath, but he's way too expensive for 1500.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

English Assassin wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

English Assassin wrote:Black Templars (or Sisters of Battle) plus a Space Marine (or Blood Angel) librarian and token 5-man tactical squad would be bad enough, since it circumvents a significant weakness in their lists by giving them a psychic hood.

No psykers that aren't Grey Knights for the Black Templars, the restriction's in the Codex already (as a remnant from the 3rd edition Codices, but still).

A detail I had entirely forgotten, but as a restriction it's still easily circumvented by Mr Ward's Grey Knight librarians, albeit at a slightly more significant investment of points.

I'll just point out that Psychic Hoods were available to Grand Masters and Brother Captains in the Daemonhunters Codex along with loads of psychic powers, so Grey Knights with significant psychic prowess was hardly the invention of Ward (not sure if you were taking a jab at him or not, Internet-expression-issue).

My memory of 3rd edition is exceedingly hazy, since I was an undergraduate at the time, and - being short of both time and money - spent four years playing Necromunda instead. Either way, the prospect of every Templar or Sororitas army being accompanied by a small retinue of Grey Knights in order to remain competitive strikes me as neither fluffy nor well-balanced.

English Assassin wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

English Assassin wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

English Assassin wrote:Black Templars (or Sisters of Battle) plus a Space Marine (or Blood Angel) librarian and token 5-man tactical squad would be bad enough, since it circumvents a significant weakness in their lists by giving them a psychic hood.

No psykers that aren't Grey Knights for the Black Templars, the restriction's in the Codex already (as a remnant from the 3rd edition Codices, but still).

A detail I had entirely forgotten, but as a restriction it's still easily circumvented by Mr Ward's Grey Knight librarians, albeit at a slightly more significant investment of points.

I'll just point out that Psychic Hoods were available to Grand Masters and Brother Captains in the Daemonhunters Codex along with loads of psychic powers, so Grey Knights with significant psychic prowess was hardly the invention of Ward (not sure if you were taking a jab at him or not, Internet-expression-issue).

My memory of 3rd edition is exceedingly hazy, since I was an undergraduate at the time, and - being short of both time and money - spent four years playing Necromunda instead. Either way, the prospect of every Templar or Sororitas army being accompanied by a small retinue of Grey Knights in order to remain competitive strikes me as neither fluffy nor well-balanced.

It was the case back when Daemonhunters were still around and we hadn't gotten our FAQ update though. I'd expect a new Codex to fix it, and Emperor knows both Templars and (especially) Sisters could use a new Codex.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

English Assassin wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

English Assassin wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

English Assassin wrote:Black Templars (or Sisters of Battle) plus a Space Marine (or Blood Angel) librarian and token 5-man tactical squad would be bad enough, since it circumvents a significant weakness in their lists by giving them a psychic hood.

No psykers that aren't Grey Knights for the Black Templars, the restriction's in the Codex already (as a remnant from the 3rd edition Codices, but still).

A detail I had entirely forgotten, but as a restriction it's still easily circumvented by Mr Ward's Grey Knight librarians, albeit at a slightly more significant investment of points.

I'll just point out that Psychic Hoods were available to Grand Masters and Brother Captains in the Daemonhunters Codex along with loads of psychic powers, so Grey Knights with significant psychic prowess was hardly the invention of Ward (not sure if you were taking a jab at him or not, Internet-expression-issue).

My memory of 3rd edition is exceedingly hazy, since I was an undergraduate at the time, and - being short of both time and money - spent four years playing Necromunda instead. Either way, the prospect of every Templar or Sororitas army being accompanied by a small retinue of Grey Knights in order to remain competitive strikes me as neither fluffy nor well-balanced.

It was the case back when Daemonhunters were still around and we hadn't gotten our FAQ update though. I'd expect a new Codex to fix it, and Emperor knows both Templars and (especially) Sisters could use a new Codex.

This is very true indeed. I wouldn't, however, like to guess whether, when (or, in the case of the Sisters, if) we get them, the changes will be fluff-appropriate but uncompetitive (no allied psykers at all in a game with more emphasis on psychic powers), or vice versa. Neither option is greatly appealing, but I really don't trust the writers of this exceedingly dodgy allies system to come up with a better solution.

English Assassin wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

English Assassin wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

English Assassin wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

English Assassin wrote:Black Templars (or Sisters of Battle) plus a Space Marine (or Blood Angel) librarian and token 5-man tactical squad would be bad enough, since it circumvents a significant weakness in their lists by giving them a psychic hood.

No psykers that aren't Grey Knights for the Black Templars, the restriction's in the Codex already (as a remnant from the 3rd edition Codices, but still).

A detail I had entirely forgotten, but as a restriction it's still easily circumvented by Mr Ward's Grey Knight librarians, albeit at a slightly more significant investment of points.

I'll just point out that Psychic Hoods were available to Grand Masters and Brother Captains in the Daemonhunters Codex along with loads of psychic powers, so Grey Knights with significant psychic prowess was hardly the invention of Ward (not sure if you were taking a jab at him or not, Internet-expression-issue).

My memory of 3rd edition is exceedingly hazy, since I was an undergraduate at the time, and - being short of both time and money - spent four years playing Necromunda instead. Either way, the prospect of every Templar or Sororitas army being accompanied by a small retinue of Grey Knights in order to remain competitive strikes me as neither fluffy nor well-balanced.

It was the case back when Daemonhunters were still around and we hadn't gotten our FAQ update though. I'd expect a new Codex to fix it, and Emperor knows both Templars and (especially) Sisters could use a new Codex.

This is very true indeed. I wouldn't, however, like to guess whether, when (or, in the case of the Sisters, if) we get them, the changes will be fluff-appropriate but uncompetitive (no allied psykers at all in a game with more emphasis on psychic powers), or vice versa. Neither option is greatly appealing, but I really don't trust the writers of this exceedingly dodgy allies system to come up with a better solution.

Templars could possibly get Null Rods and similar stuff to underline their distrust of Psykers, whereas Sisters could probably get some sort of Ecclesiarch-approved Psyker-thingie. Again, that'd require new Codices though.

Two words. Fortuned Paladins.

Wow, yes, fortuned paladins. Although, if the new wound allocation stuff is to be believed, paladins won't be quite as scary as they are now.

You can't fortune Paladins, Fortune specifies only Eldar units, as does Guide.


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You could, however, shove a Sanguinary Priest and a Chaplain into the unit, for Fearless Paladins with a back-up source of FNP and Furious Charge that re-rolls failed hits when assaulting.

admiral9 wrote:Uum Tau mixed with imperial guards.

If the guards are allowed to benefit from markerlights
It isn't 2000 points but i think it would be pretty broken.
...

Considering not all units in the Tau codex can use markerlights, what on earth makes you think allies would be able to? :S