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2012/06/21 14:38:44
Subject: Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
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Avatar 720 wrote:You can't fortune Paladins, Fortune specifies only Eldar units, as does Guide.
I am relieved actually.
You could, however, shove a Sanguinary Priest and a Chaplain into the unit, for Fearless Paladins with a back-up source of FNP and Furious Charge that re-rolls failed hits when assaulting.
Actually, I wonder if there will be a rule preventing IC's in an allies FOC from joining units of the core FOC? That would stop this. hmm...
But in any case, I don't think the paladins really need fearless. FNP should be enough. On the other hand, didn't FNP get a little nerf?
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2012/06/21 14:39:53
Subject: Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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As an Eldar play, i'm happy for you to leave your Paladins without Fearless; makes them all the easier to tank shock off the board 
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2012/06/21 14:50:41
Subject: Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin
Dumbarton, Scotland
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Grugknuckle wrote:Actually, I wonder if there will be a rule preventing IC's in an allies FOC from joining units of the core FOC? That would stop this. hmm...
Well, considering daemons already have this IN THEIR OWN BOOK ( ICs of one god can't join another god's squad), I can see it happening.
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2012/06/21 15:07:55
Subject: Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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Buttons wrote:Company Command Squad with 4 meltas
Chimera
Vendetta
Vendetta
Vendetta
Chimera
Vet Squad with 3 Meltas
Chimera
Vet Squad with 3 Meltas
Draigo
880 Points worth of Paladins
You know, how much better is that list over this one?
Coteaz
Draigo
Psydread
Psydread
Psydread
880 pts of paladins
3 henchmen w/3 MG in psyback w/ HB
3 henchmen w/3 MG in psyback w/ HB
3 henchmen w/3 MG in psyback w/ HB
3 henchmen in psyback w/ HB
The psydreads have as much shootyness as the vendettas and are much more durable. Instead of the 2 vets and CCS, your getting 4 psybacks. You also get Coteaz to add to the superfriends paladin group.
While the IG/ GK version is awesome, its not much (if any) better than the version you can create today with just GK.
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2012/06/21 15:29:33
Subject: Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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Spartan089 wrote:Seeing as allies are obvious in (if you haven't already seen this thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/456706.page) Come up with the most broken list you can (note the only rumored restriction is that you must fill your compulsorily choices of 1 HQ and 2 troop for your core army and the allied detachment must consist of at least 1HQ & 1 troop choice). Armies can ally with themselves (example 2 separate companies of Ultra marines, 2 separate tyranid hive fleets). Heres a list of allies someone came up with for a frame work:
Emphasis added.
No one knows what this chart will look like, so before everyone gets their boxers in a twist over how to ally tyranids and IG, let's see what the chart actually looks like? Please?
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2012/06/21 15:37:10
Subject: Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Twisted Trueborn with Blaster
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Dark Eldar with the capability of Psykers? ( DE+E) Harlequins and Genestealers in the SAME army? ('Nids+ DE) Yes Please! 
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2012/06/21 19:03:43
Subject: Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler
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Urien_Rakarth wrote:Dark Eldar with the capability of Psykers? ( DE+E) Harlequins and Genestealers in the SAME army? ('Nids+ DE) Yes Please!
Sorry fix'd, Nids can only ally with...nids
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Then, they raised prices on the Orks, and I did not speak out because I did not play Orks.
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2012/06/21 19:09:25
Subject: Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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PanOceaniac Hacking Specialist Sergeant
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Orks and GK . Just cause it'll look lulz on the tabletop.
Though now that I think about it, I suppose its one way to solve the ork problems with cleansing flame; bring our own! Yay?
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2012/06/21 19:42:55
Subject: Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Beautiful and Deadly Keeper of Secrets
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rabidaskal wrote:Orks and GK . Just cause it'll look lulz on the tabletop.
Though now that I think about it, I suppose its one way to solve the ork problems with cleansing flame; bring our own! Yay?
'Ey burna boyz! Why do they burnz bettah than you?
I'm not sure draigo + anything will be to much of an issue to say the least, since they can't wound allocate anymore (front models being shot at first) Though it does bring up some interesting thoughts to armor up the nobz in front so that they can save better.
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2012/06/21 19:46:07
Subject: Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
Greensboro, NC
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Spartan089 wrote:Urien_Rakarth wrote:Dark Eldar with the capability of Psykers? ( DE+E) Harlequins and Genestealers in the SAME army? ('Nids+ DE) Yes Please!
Sorry fix'd, Nids can only ally with...nids
Why does everyone seem to think nids wont have any allies? There is no proof of this whatsoever. If there is, I'd like to see it please. {EDIT: Fluff is not proof of rules}
Anyway, as a CSM player I'm happy to be able to ally with daemons and guard. I've always wanted to use a punisher cannon. The only thing I dont like is that if I want one, I'll have to buy an IG troop and hq. And if I make the troop as low points as I can, it will be easily killed, giving up an easy killpoint. And if I make it large enough to do any good, that's just taking points away from other things. Oh well, I'm looking forward to having bloodletters and a soul grinder in my csm army, and I believe I read about some piece of terrain/ fortification/whatever that lets you control your reserves in some way? That'll really help daemons
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2012/06/21 19:49:31
Subject: Re:Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Beautiful and Deadly Keeper of Secrets
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Why does everyone seem to think nids wont have any allies? There is no proof of this whatsoever. If there is, I'd like to see it please. {EDIT: Fluff is not proof of rules}
There was an official thing put out by GW a small while back, it had an updated ally matrix included in it.
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2012/06/21 19:54:56
Subject: Re:Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Sinewy Scourge
Grand ol US of A
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Easy BT and GK. Paladins w/ PE! Yikes. The sheer number of LR in that list is insane not to mention some serious CC and shooty punch from both groups.
A close second would be DE and Eldar. I have a feeling psychic powers can affect your ally and I guess in hind sight I should have seen this coming with harlies going into the DE book so fortune and guided wyches FTW  Not to mention Fire Dragons opening up mech for splinter cannons!
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d3m01iti0n wrote:
BT uses the Codex Astartes as toilet paper. They’re an Imp Fist successor, recruit from multiple planets, and are known to be the largest Chapter in the galaxy. They’re on a constant Crusade, keeping it real for the Emperor and not bumming around like the other guys. They hate psykers and can’t ally with them. They’re basically an entire chapter of Chaplains. CC lunatics. What every Space Marine should aspire to be, if not trapped in a Matt Ward nightmare.
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2012/06/21 20:00:17
Subject: Re:Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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Akroma06 wrote:Easy BT and GK. Paladins w/ PE! Yikes. The sheer number of LR in that list is insane not to mention some serious CC and shooty punch from both groups.
A close second would be DE and Eldar. I have a feeling psychic powers can affect your ally and I guess in hind sight I should have seen this coming with harlies going into the DE book so fortune and guided wyches FTW Not to mention Fire Dragons opening up mech for splinter cannons!
Accept Any Challenge, No Matter the Odds only gives PE to Black Templars units. BT Lightning Claw Terminators with a Grand Master for Hammerhand and funky grenades, on the other hand, is not something I imagine any sane person would want to fight.
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2012/06/21 20:07:47
Subject: Re:Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
Greensboro, NC
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ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Why does everyone seem to think nids wont have any allies? There is no proof of this whatsoever. If there is, I'd like to see it please. {EDIT: Fluff is not proof of rules}
There was an official thing put out by GW a small while back, it had an updated ally matrix included in it.
Can anyone provide me with a link please? My googlefu is not finding this
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2012/06/21 20:41:50
Subject: Re:Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Beautiful and Deadly Keeper of Secrets
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Akroma06 wrote:Easy BT and GK. Paladins w/ PE! Yikes. The sheer number of LR in that list is insane not to mention some serious CC and shooty punch from both groups.
A close second would be DE and Eldar. I have a feeling psychic powers can affect your ally and I guess in hind sight I should have seen this coming with harlies going into the DE book so fortune and guided wyches FTW Not to mention Fire Dragons opening up mech for splinter cannons!
Eldar powers are specific for Eldar units, it says so specifically in the entry for Guide and Fortune.
..Why would you even guide wyches?
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2012/06/21 20:44:57
Subject: Re:Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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ZebioLizard2 wrote: Why does everyone seem to think nids wont have any allies? There is no proof of this whatsoever. If there is, I'd like to see it please. {EDIT: Fluff is not proof of rules}
There was an official thing put out by GW a small while back, it had an updated ally matrix included in it.
...and has nothing to do with the 6th edition allies matrix and accompanying rules.
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2012/06/21 20:49:00
Subject: Re:Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Water-Caste Negotiator
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Phragonist wrote:ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Why does everyone seem to think nids wont have any allies? There is no proof of this whatsoever. If there is, I'd like to see it please. {EDIT: Fluff is not proof of rules}
There was an official thing put out by GW a small while back, it had an updated ally matrix included in it.
Can anyone provide me with a link please? My googlefu is not finding this
It's in the rules for doubles tournaments on the GW site. As such, no one has any idea whether it will resemble 6th Ed. allies 
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2012/06/21 21:20:30
Subject: Re:Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Beautiful and Deadly Keeper of Secrets
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kronk wrote:ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Why does everyone seem to think nids wont have any allies? There is no proof of this whatsoever. If there is, I'd like to see it please. {EDIT: Fluff is not proof of rules}
There was an official thing put out by GW a small while back, it had an updated ally matrix included in it.
...and has nothing to do with the 6th edition allies matrix and accompanying rules.
Which is what everyone is basing their thoughts on, so it matters in this context.
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2012/06/21 21:25:06
Subject: Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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A bunch of IG Melravets in Vendettas with Vulkan He'stan leadinging. Doesn't matter what TL does, still broken as hell.
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2012/06/21 22:33:32
Subject: Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler
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Draigo wing + Death wing = Maybe the ultimate death star
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Games Workshop: Ruining Chaos Space Marines since 2007
First they raised prices on the Eldar, and I did not speak out because I did not play Eldar.
Then, they raised prices on the Orks, and I did not speak out because I did not play Orks.
Then, they raised prices on the Nids, and I did not speak out because I did not play Nids.
Then, they raised prices on the Marines, and there was nobody to speak out for me. |
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2012/06/21 23:29:14
Subject: Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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Deadshot wrote:A bunch of IG Melravets in Vendettas with Vulkan He'stan leadinging. Doesn't matter what TL does, still broken as hell.
Vulcan does not make the metavets TL'ed. They don't have combat tactics to trade out. Automatically Appended Next Post: Spartan089 wrote:Draigo wing + Death wing = Maybe the ultimate death star
You get a kick ass block of paladins (which will not have wound allocation magic in 6th) along with a bunch of fearless terminators. A very durable matchup.
You lose a lot of your fire base, however, if you can't take a host of psydreads. The draigo deathstar can only psycannon one thing down a turn (assuming your in range)
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2012/06/21 23:35:00
Subject: Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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The Hive Mind
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labmouse42 wrote:Deadshot wrote:A bunch of IG Melravets in Vendettas with Vulkan He'stan leadinging. Doesn't matter what TL does, still broken as hell.
Vulcan does not make the metavets TL'ed. They don't have combat tactics to trade out.
They don't need it. Vulkan doesn't trade it out, he just removes it from everyone then twin links stuff.
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2012/06/21 23:43:08
Subject: Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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rigeld2 wrote:labmouse42 wrote:Deadshot wrote:A bunch of IG Melravets in Vendettas with Vulkan He'stan leadinging. Doesn't matter what TL does, still broken as hell.
Vulcan does not make the metavets TL'ed. They don't have combat tactics to trade out.
They don't need it. Vulkan doesn't trade it out, he just removes it from everyone then twin links stuff.
Excellent point. After all, speeders in vulcan lists are TL'ed.
However, somehow I doubt that trading out special rules will apply across armies. I would not get my hopes up about that 
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2012/06/21 23:46:26
Subject: Contest: Make the most broken 2000pt army taking into consideration the new allies rule
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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if they stick to the fluff DA will only ally with "some" imperial factions, namely no Inquisitors and will absolutely not ally with any Xenos race or any force that contains Abhumans
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> 4000 pts 
1500 pts 
1500 pts 
1500pts