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NOT tryign to start the next great debate on the subject!!!

I just wanted to ask openly before I REALLY get into this new project. Thsi new thign won't be visible for a whiel as I still need to finish up the logn standing RBG waiting list. I am however workign on building up the models for this new project a little at a time startign now. It is a totally different world / game theme than the currect RBG line.

It is fantasy but a very different kind of fantasy.

What I am wonderign is this;

Shoudl I stick with the traditional RBG scale or go bigger?

A little bigger?

A lot bigger?

The RBG fantasy stuff scale WILL NOT change! I just want to see if people woudl rather see slightly larger models than what I have normally made up to now for this new project.

If it makes any difference the new project will begin as a low model count skirmish game. If the first few releases are successful then the project will grow into a full on War Game. I am REALLY excited about this and I think it will be very popular when it hits. I just wan tto be sure I do nto create any barriers right out of the gate.

I think from a business perspective, it makes sense to make models that fit in with the other "heroic" fantasy models on the market. Yours are some of the only realistically proportioned 25mm (I think that's correct? LOTR scale?) fantasy models I have seen. If they fit with say, Warhammer and Mantic, you'd open your market up a bit for people buying nice models to fit with their current armies.

I don't mean to offend, but what is RBG? Might be a good idea to include a link in your post.

I think that by far the most important determining factor of the scale is what kind of game. (You're not going to see a 6mm skirmish game or a 54mm mass battle game, are you?)
I'd definitely stay between 25-32mm, as this is the scale that most people identify with. If your current stuff is in that scale, stay with what you know and what is compatible with your current range.

RBG is Red Box Games

http://red-box-games.com/

It isn't the biggest company out there but fairly well known and Tre posts his new releases in the news section fairly often. probably my favorite fantasy miniatures.

@Tre

I would suggest going with the same size. Larger scale miniatures tend not to sell very well. You have a built in audience already and going to a larger scale will make their current RBG miniatures unusable with your new project. Your current minis are already not really compatible with Repear and GW (which I think is a good thing) but if you make your new project different I think that would be a bad idea.

Thanks Brettz

Well truth be told I don't think that this new project will find many compatible ranges just based on theme alone. I am really not even thinkign in terms of compatability with other ranges anyway, my goal is not fit in with other ranges it is to create somethign substantially different and unique. The HOPE is that by doign this i can create my own larger market than if I follow other more established themes.

There are so many other manufacturers following each other's or GW's lead that ithas flooded the market. Think abotu how many traditional fantasy heroic 32mm figure ranges there are now. It is a small pond with a LOT of fish swimming in it. I am trying ( with this project at least ) to dig a new pond where my fish are the only ones swimming.

Reaper may be mostly 30mm, but there are a number of larger sculpts in there as well.

Our Endless Fantasy line is going to be "40mm scale", but the sculpts are not much bigger then Reaper or some Warmachine humans.

I understand the need to maybe keep things on the "down-low", especially with what may be an innovative idea for a game setting.

From my experience, people tend to quote these two factors as a reason to stick with current "standard" scale, if such a beast exists.....1) access to scenary, and 2) ability to proxy other miniatures lines into your game setting.

Although both those points are valid to an extent, I hate when people place constraints on something that simply needs no constraints. I guess what people are really saying is they want "new" things but don't want to pay for it, i.e. invest in new gear....a bit catch 22 IMHO.

Without knowing anything about the setting, the aims of your company (i.e. do you want to sell miniatures or is the game more important) it's impossible to give you any advice on the scale of the figures. I mean, what are even the options, 28mm, 30mm, 54mm, 200mm, without a context this conversation thread will simply devolve into people telling you why you should stick with the herd on miniature sizing.

Well, if you want to carve out your own unique niche, I say keep it at the scale you're most comfortable sculpting in. I would not make it a larger scale than 28mm though, simply because bulkier models are a pain to transport and make scenery for.

I'm a fan of your stuff, so I'll keep my eye out. You make a good point about market saturation.

tre manor wrote: NOT tryign to start the next great debate on the subject!!!

I just wanted to ask openly before I REALLY get into this new project. Thsi new thign won't be visible for a whiel as I still need to finish up the logn standing RBG waiting list. I am however workign on building up the models for this new project a little at a time startign now. It is a totally different world / game theme than the currect RBG line.

It is fantasy but a very different kind of fantasy.

What I am wonderign is this;

Shoudl I stick with the traditional RBG scale or go bigger?

A little bigger?

A lot bigger?

The RBG fantasy stuff scale WILL NOT change! I just want to see if people woudl rather see slightly larger models than what I have normally made up to now for this new project.

If it makes any difference the new project will begin as a low model count skirmish game. If the first few releases are successful then the project will grow into a full on War Game. I am REALLY excited about this and I think it will be very popular when it hits. I just wan tto be sure I do nto create any barriers right out of the gate.

You need to seriously slow down when you type. 12 of your words have their letters in the wrong order.

If you want people to take your project seriously, you need to present it in a reasonable and logical manner. This includes proper grammar.

Some valid points raised already. All I have to say is regarding the issue of lots of similar-sized fish swimming in the same pond:

1. These similar-sized fish (ranging from 25-32mm) are extremely popular with the consumer mass market. People know what they like, and very often like to stick with what they know

2. The pond in which they swim is actually rather massive (in fact, it spans the globe)

Basically what I am saying is stick to scultping/producing minis between 25-32mm. If it is a top quality product, then with good marketing exposure you should be able to carve yourself another niche in the market.

All the best with the new project!

I'll go a different direction and say go 20mm scale. If you want to go for small warbands to start, it would make it very affordable to start, especially with the rising cost of metal. No one is doing fantasy in 20mm scale that I can think of and if you want to expand it to a full wargame I think that scale could lend the game to more epic battles as you'd be able to fit a lot on the table and stll have room to move around.

I very much like the RBG minis because of Tre's very particular attention to scale. So from a purely selfish perspective, I would say keep them the same. I love seeing models that are properly proportioned, and Tre manages to inject a wonderful amount of lived-in realism to his pieces, down to belts and shoes.

That said, the scale that the RBG minis are in now is slightly out of sync with the current trends in fantasy wargaming. If the new models were closer to a "heroic" 25-28mm scale then there would be greater cross compatibility with other miniature ranges. That is what it is, although I can say that that from what I have seen, smaller companies are creeping slowly away from "heroic" scale minis. Corvus Belli, Bushido, Studio McVey, etc. are all producing models that, while not as wonderfully proportioned as RBG's products, are closer to them than, say Games Workshop, PP, or Wyrd's products are.

I think you should go with your gut Tre. It really depends on what you think customers will be doing with the models. I'm sure you have a pretty good sense of how to market and sell miniatures at this point.

From a personal perspective, the scale that your current minis are done in is one of the things that sets RBG apart from other companies, and I'd like to see more products like that.