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hello again, yes theres more pointless little things i need clearing up lol

firstly my brother has told me i should research into how my Dreadknight uses his two nem doomfists. it states in the book "nem doomfists follow the rules for dreadnaught close combat weapons" from what i can tell this means his strength goes to 10 but he stays at his normal initiative same as a dreadnaught using his fist/storm bolter weapon. some clearing up on this would be much appreciated.

secondly my brother likes to use a force weapon on some of his HQ's and when he manages to get into assaults with it and he causes a wound then rolls for his test to see for instant death.. say for example he rolled less than his leadership and activated the ID. does this mean the initial wound/s he caused with that guy are ID or does he then inflict an ID wound ontop of the wounds he has already caused? (note my brother uses SM and not GK so its SM force weaps)

any information on these two subjects is greatly appreciated

p.s. sorry if they are pointless questions to ask (easily solved by reading codex) its just people get different views from what codex's say lol

Q1: Check the GK FAQ about the doomfists. Click Here for the GK FAQ

Q2: when you roll for a force weapon, any one wound you have already caused now causes ID it does not add a wound onto whatever wounds he did.

Dreadnought Close Combat weapons are Walker weapons. Is the Dreadknight a walker? No, so they do not increase his strength to 10. It's also answered in the GK FAQ.

The unsaved wound that allows him to activate his FW causes ID, he does not get a second ID wound on top of it.

thanks for the fast reply and also the GKFAQ link

ok so he is still str6 but he gets combi according to the FAQ BUT are the nem doomfists a power weap of any kind? (sorry for asking its just i cant find anything about it on the FAQ)

Yes they are, as per the GK codex line about all Nemesis weapons being Force Weapons, and the fact that the Dreadknight is a Monstrous Creature, so would ignore armour regardless.

hahaha oh yeah i totally forgot about him being a monstrous creature XD

also through reading up about monstrous creatures he gets move through cover rule and also cannot be forced to ground or voluntarily go to ground etc..

thanks all for helping with my little issues

Just a little clarification (apologies I might just be misreading Avatar), but Nemesis force weapons when activated do not affect a single wound and cause it to become ID like normal force weapons. Instead once activated all wounds caused by the weapons are counted as ID.

In this case the FW is a normal Codex Space Marines one, not a Nemesis force weapon, so the answer given was correct.

GreyChaos wrote:Just a little clarification (apologies I might just be misreading Avatar), but Nemesis force weapons when activated do not affect a single wound and cause it to become ID like normal force weapons. Instead once activated all wounds caused by the weapons are counted as ID.

As Nos said, the OP explicity stated that his question was regarding Codex: Space Marine FWs, and not GK FWs.

Apologies Avatar, that's what I get for skimming =/

thankyou all for replies

 Avatar 720 wrote:
Dreadnought Close Combat weapons are Walker weapons. Is the Dreadknight a walker? No, so they do not increase his strength to 10. It's also answered in the GK FAQ.

The unsaved wound that allows him to activate his FW causes ID, he does not get a second ID wound on top of it.

? They strike at Str 10

Q: Does a Nemesis Dreadknight armed with a Nemesis greatsword have
4 Attacks at Strength 10 that, because of the Nemesis greatsword, can
re-roll To Hit, To Wound and Armour Penetration rolls?(p54)
A: Yes.

So... with 1 doomfist you can swing at str 10, with 2 you swing at str 10. 4 attacks either way.

Dreadnought close combat weapons do not require their wielder to be a Walker type to benefit from S10.

Dreadknight always hits at S10.

there is a bit of misinformation being spread in this thread:

1) DCCWs multiply the strength of 'any' user by 2. (the 'walkers only' bit was removed in 6th edition)
2) Monstrous Creatures' attacks count as AP-2 as per the Smash USR (unless they are already less than that by virtue of another special rule). They do 'not' Ignore Armor, at least in the rules-defined sense of the phrase.

To refer to the rest of your post:
Yes, they keep their current initiative, 'unwieldy' does not work against monstrous creatures.
No the unsaved wound itself gains the Instant Death USR, there is no additional ID wound inflicted on top of the normal un-saved wound. (though for all practical purposes barring interaction with the Eternal Warrior USR, they'd work the same way. ie: with the removal as a casualty of the model)

 Avatar 720 wrote:
Dreadnought Close Combat weapons are Walker weapons. Is the Dreadknight a walker? No, so they do not increase his strength to 10. It's also answered in the GK FAQ.
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When being snarky....you should be sure you are correct.

coredump wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
Dreadnought Close Combat weapons are Walker weapons. Is the Dreadknight a walker? No, so they do not increase his strength to 10. It's also answered in the GK FAQ.
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When being snarky....you should be sure you are correct.

Especially when the GK FAQ says the opposite. Though to be fair, the 5th ed FAQ did say they did not get the double strength.

 Neorealist wrote:
there is a bit of misinformation being spread in this thread:

Not really misinformation given the posting dates.
The OP and much of the information was before 6th edition.

Thread is being locked due to thread necromancy.