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So with the doubling of the Tau Firepower, I am actually thinking about busting them out.

Basically fire warriors can fire on the move, keeping out of assault range, or double tap from a loving distance.
12 fire warriors pouring 24 shots into a Marine TAC squad now yields 8 wounds, ~11 wounds with a single marker light, ~13 with two marker lights

Crisis Suits now get a huge boost in power with the improved plasma guns.
3 Fire knifes now pour out 6 plasma and 6 missiles on the move, 9 plasma and 6 missiles while standing still.
Moving results in 5 wounds, half being plasma. One marker light raises this to 6-7 wounds, half being plasma, and two marker lights increase it to 8 wounds
Staying Still results 6 wounds, half being plasma. One marker light raises this to 7-8 wounds, 5 being plasma, and two marker lights increase it to 10 wounds 6 being plasma.

This is a huge improvement in both of these mainstay units, So much so, I think the possiblility of killing off units of 10 marines is no longer the work of 3 Crisis Teams, but rather a fireknife team and two full fire warrior Teams or two fireknife teams. Also with Glancing leading to dead tanks, Firewarriors can take out rhinos and razor backs more reliably and Fireknife teams can regularly dismantle even the fronts of chimeras...

This might even make bodyguards worth taking because how awesome Crisis Suits have become...

Its not all good.

Firewarriors and kroot are the only things that can claim objectives and now have to do it from outside the D-fish. They still suffer from LD issues. Better rapid fire and overwatch will be good, but we have nothing that can stand up to dueling. ICs are going to have a field day against us. If hammerheads and d-fish only get 3 Hull points, they will get glanced to death fairly easy because of side 12 and 11 armor.

However, what I really like is that Hammerheads can once again move their full 12" and shoot all the guns at full BS (with appropriate upgrades). SMS systems once again are a very good upgrade.

Kroot hounds will never see the table again, because overwatch fire will be more important than a few I4 attacks and to that end overwatch will prevent kroot from ever charging anything. They truly are nothing but speed bumps now. The Kroot ox gun is interesting, it got a pretty good boost because of its range.

With assault being 2D6, Crisis suits are going to be highly mobile.

As I haven't been able to get my hands on a rulebook, I have no idea how we'll look in 6th.


One thing I am excited about however is allies... I seem to be the only one who is :p

On the fluffy side of things, I finally get a legal way to field some Gue'vesa auxiliaries! Yay! Planning to kitbash some Crisis Suits with Sentinels. Going for the Inquisitor Karamazov look.
And on the cheesy tournament side, I get to stick an Eldar farseer somewhere in my firing line and give my poor old BS 3 Tau re-rolls to hit!

QuietOrkmi wrote:So with the doubling of the Tau Firepower, I am actually thinking about busting them out.

I thought that all turned out to be rumours that are not true. There is no double dap at long range.

Battlesuits could always pour out 6 plasma and 6 missiles on the move as they always count as not moving. Although as before rapid fire is limited to 12”. I just do not see how Tau have gained much.
EDIT: How are you getting "9 plasma and 6 missiles while standing still" battlesuits always count as standing still so thats 6plasma always. Never 9.

Pottsey wrote:
Although as before rapid fire is limited to 12”. I just do not see how Tau have gained much.

I thought Rapid Fire is half range? 15'' in case of pulse rifle.

XV8 Crisis Suit wrote:

Pottsey wrote:
Although as before rapid fire is limited to 12”. I just do not see how Tau have gained much.

I thought Rapid Fire is half range? 15'' in case of pulse rifle.

Not really sure one person with the rule book said half range another with the rulebook said 12”. We also seem to have lost all our nightfight stuff.

Rapid fire is always 12" in 5th edition. And you could only fire 1 shot at max range currently. 2 if within 12" Page 28 BRB.

The 9 Plasma thing came from Rumors of Relentless grants an extra shot. So 2 Shots at max w/o moving +1 from relentless = 3, times 3 because of three suits equals 9 shots.
We'll find out if thats true or not when the new rulebook comes out.

The rapid fire is one of the rumours everyone is less sure on. Wait the three days before you invest.

Rapid fire will be half range, and if you don't move you can RF at full range.

BronzeJon wrote:Rapid fire will be half range, and if you don't move you can RF at full range.

Time to revisit the Kroot gun. LOL. 48" rapid fire.

It's a bit of a waste, but one can use markerlights for snap shots to up the BS to respectable levels.

Only really useful on vehicles or Broadsides w/o A.S.S. though.

KrimsunBaron wrote:The rapid fire is one of the rumours everyone is less sure on. Wait the three days before you invest.

Supposedly, this is direct quote from rulebook:

"A model armed with a Rapid Fire weapons can fire two shots at a target up to half the weapon's maximum range away. Alternatively, it can instead fire one shot at a target over half the weapon's range away, up to the weapon's maximum range."

So no two shots to max. range, but no movement limitation either, and it really IS half range, which means 15" rapid fire for Fire Warriors and 24" for Kroot Gun. Man, Krootox might actually be worth taking now.

Backfire wrote:

KrimsunBaron wrote:The rapid fire is one of the rumours everyone is less sure on. Wait the three days before you invest.

Supposedly, this is direct quote from rulebook:

"A model armed with a Rapid Fire weapons can fire two shots at a target up to half the weapon's maximum range away. Alternatively, it can instead fire one shot at a target over half the weapon's range away, up to the weapon's maximum range."

So no two shots to max. range, but no movement limitation either, and it really IS half range, which means 15" rapid fire for Fire Warriors and 24" for Kroot Gun. Man, Krootox might actually be worth taking now.

Please don't get my hopes up. :c

acekevin8412 wrote:It's a bit of a waste, but one can use markerlights for snap shots to up the BS to respectable levels.

Unfortunately, nope. Markerlights as currently written expire at the end of your turn if not used, so you won't be able to activate them on the enemy's turn (When they charge and you resolve the snapfire). Hopefully they might errata it to expire at the start of your next turn instead, but I'm not overly optimistic about markerlights getting a buff.

Plus, I wouldn't worry too much about ICs wrecking face. If a squad hits your suits in CC, the squad pretty much becomes a write-off at that point, even with the nerf to power wepaons (Broadsides are doing a bit better, but not by much). Plus, now that you can (supposedly) regroup at 25% or better squad size, Crisis suits without drone entourages no longer have to worry about bonding knives.

BronzeJon wrote:Rapid fire will be half range, and if you don't move you can RF at full range.

Lots of people with the rulebook have said that is not true. You can only rapid fire at half range.


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darkPrince010 wrote:

acekevin8412 wrote:It's a bit of a waste, but one can use markerlights for snap shots to up the BS to respectable levels.

Unfortunately, nope. Markerlights as currently written expire at the end of your turn if not used, so you won't be able to activate them on the enemy's turn (When they charge and you resolve the snapfire). Hopefully they might errata it to expire at the start of your next turn instead, but I'm not overly optimistic about markerlights getting a buff.

Plus, I wouldn't worry too much about ICs wrecking face. If a squad hits your suits in CC, the squad pretty much becomes a write-off at that point, even with the nerf to power wepaons (Broadsides are doing a bit better, but not by much). Plus, now that you can (supposedly) regroup at 25% or better squad size, Crisis suits without drone entourages no longer have to worry about bonding knives.

Network markerlights might work but you still have the problem of hitting at BS1 with the markers. As for IC I guess the +2 armor save upgrade with x2 shield drones with 2+save just got a lot better. For broadsides I like that I no longer need to take A.S.S and instead can use Target Array and snap fire. Even if Target Array does not give BS2 I can see that combo working better.

I can confirm that Rapid fire weapons only get 2 shots at half range.

I think that the Allies rule has significantly boosted both the effectiveness and firepower of the Tau army when used alongside the Eldar.

Farseers now offer Tau units increased reliability in the shape of guide (assuming that GW FAQ Eldar powers to work on Battle Brothers), reducing the need for the BS4 upgrade on most units and also provides them with access to both Scatter Walkers (which will be invaluable this edition) and Wave Serpents, Which are arguably still the most cost-effective transports in the game.

I think Tau will become a much more viable army in 6th.

Iranna.

Pottsey wrote:

BronzeJon wrote:Rapid fire will be half range, and if you don't move you can RF at full range.

Lots of people with the rulebook have said that is not true. You can only rapid fire at half range.


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darkPrince010 wrote:

acekevin8412 wrote:It's a bit of a waste, but one can use markerlights for snap shots to up the BS to respectable levels.

Unfortunately, nope. Markerlights as currently written expire at the end of your turn if not used, so you won't be able to activate them on the enemy's turn (When they charge and you resolve the snapfire). Hopefully they might errata it to expire at the start of your next turn instead, but I'm not overly optimistic about markerlights getting a buff.

I meant snap firing heavy weapons on the move, not overwatch prior to an assault. I made sure to recheck the markerlight rules and am aware they expire after you're shooting phase is over.
This only really affects vehicles without multi-trackers and Broadsides w/o A.S.S. to give them slow and purposeful though.

Good news! Target Locks do nothing now. Wait...

what do you guys think of the other faq mods? I'm really happy about stealths finally getting the stealth usr! Though the target lock neutering means no fusion from now on..


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a couple of other comments from the other thread were that kroot hounds are now nerfed as kroot will never be used as an assault unit due to getting shot before they strike - also sniper teams might be viable with their 3+ cover.

troy_tempest wrote:what do you guys think of the other faq mods? I'm really happy about stealths finally getting the stealth usr! Though the target lock neutering means no fusion from now on..


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a couple of other comments from the other thread were that kroot hounds are now nerfed as kroot will never be used as an assault unit due to getting shot before they strike - also sniper teams might be viable with their 3+ cover.

I see 3 problems. Stealth generators no longer work for extra drone’s in stealth units and now Stealth units can be shot at from over 36” range making them less durable. Plus the smart missiles system rules are in the FAQ in two places and contradict each other.

The problem I always had with stealth field was that it was pretty useless in the context of 18' burst cannon. Cover going to 5+ coupled with the individuals claiming cover rather than the unit is a major buff for tau vs hordes - my ig opponent will be most annoyed!

troy_tempest wrote:what do you guys think of the other faq mods? I'm really happy about stealths finally getting the stealth usr! Though the target lock neutering means no fusion from now on..


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a couple of other comments from the other thread were that kroot hounds are now nerfed as kroot will never be used as an assault unit due to getting shot before they strike - also sniper teams might be viable with their 3+ cover.

Twas me on the sniper teams, and with the loss of Target Lock I think I am very wrong. They will be competing with solo 88s and so will not be taken.

OT though with the Look out Sir being allocated to any model within 6", if an IC kills enough models within coherency, does he automatically leave the unit? If not, will his may leave the unit be overridden by the must move into coherency in the next move?

Cheers

Andrew

PS GW still processing my order.

Pottsey wrote:
I see 3 problems. Stealth generators no longer work for extra drone’s in stealth units and now Stealth units can be shot at from over 36” range making them less durable. Plus the smart missiles system rules are in the FAQ in two places and contradict each other.

I may be wrong, but why do you guys think that the drones don't benefit from the stealth field generators.
From first sentence of both stealth and shrouded special rule: (A unit that contain at least one model with this special rule...)

Tau should do well in the new 3rd deployment option where their deployment zone is 24" deep.

Morale tests are far less brutal. Regroup at 25%, less with an ic, and within 6".

Overwatch is good news, especially on units with flamers.

Fire warriors have a 36" threat range for a single tap, 21" for a double tap.

Not being able to charge after an outflank hurts other outflankers more than it hurts kroot.

Last but not least if Tau want a real counter assault unit they can get it from allies.

Disruption pods are now useless, right? Or rather, all skimmers get the jink for free anyway.

Blacksun filters now just negate night fight, which is a rule in all the basic missions.

It seems easier for missiles to glance light vehicles like rhinos to death with hull points.

The assault range of DE and Orks from open-topped transports is reduced, which can help Tau. They now get an average of 19", max of 24", instead of 23.5 average, 27 max (with waagh for orks).

Allies could be really good for an army with basically no assault capability. I'm thinking about painting up all those Black Reach slugga boyz I have lying around and running a couple of big freebooter mobs.

Photon Grenades now give stealth....cool?

Flavius Infernus wrote:Disruption pods are now useless, right? Or rather, all skimmers get the jink for free anyway.

IIRC obscured save for vehicles is still 4+. So Disruption pods remain useful.

Target locks for suits no longer work. This is pretty big nerf to Broadsides. For whatever reason, Target locks for Vehicles and Infantry still work (??). Amount of sense that makes is relatively small.

All suits can now make their assault move after Deep strike. Suits have Acute Sense...which they can't use. Except Stealth suits, which is nice for them. Stealth suits now have 4+ cover save for default, 2+ if in cover. They are probably marginally more useful now.

^Yes vehicle obscured is still 4+. However, it then goes to say that any wargear derived cover save is always 5+.