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So do you think this is point cost effective?

50 goblins
Light Armor
Shields
Short Bows
Full Command
230pts

If you run them in a horde they should stay on the table a bit longer with 5+ armor 6+ parry.
And they got the potential to shoot 35 shots using volley fire, and they are really cheap.

Also considering putting into the unit a goblin boss with BSB and spider banner.

Why the champ and standard? You don't really need them if they have bows. Plus it makes them cheaper if you drop them. And with the standard they become really effective, especially if they are taken 25 wide so they all get to shoot.

Yikes, and don't Goblins also have a spell that makes things that already have Poison trigger on a 5+ rather than a 6+?

Saldiven wrote:Yikes, and don't Goblins also have a spell that makes things that already have Poison trigger on a 5+ rather than a 6+?

Only if it's already poisoned; spell is Gift of the Spider God (OR they have a Poison Banner..)

I was looking at somthign similar to this.

but using Orc Arrer boys. give them the old poison BSB goblin warlord at about a 30 block... maybe even Big'Uns. Arrer boys are the same as orc boys but 1 point more with a bow!

sirlotsofpain wrote:I was looking at somthign similar to this.

but using Orc Arrer boys. give them the old poison BSB goblin warlord at about a 30 block... maybe even Big'Uns. Arrer boys are the same as orc boys but 1 point more with a bow!

Man that reminds me how funny it is that High Elves pay four points per model for bows.

ill bet high elves actually hit stuff with those bows though llol

sirlotsofpain wrote:ill bet high elves actually hit stuff with those bows though llol

Sure, elves get that +1 to hit. I'm sure that totally balances out with Orcs being T4 and only 7 points.
If you run the numbers, you'll see that even savage orcs with bows (and shields) out shoot elves.

-Matt

I swear (to Gork or possibly Mork) by 40 arrer boyz in horde.

Ordinary gobbos work well too, however s true gobbo horde with spider banner is 80-100 strong. Any less is not efficient, any more is out of range due to the units size. The unit needs not stop at 10 wide, about 12 is right because eventually the unti will get so deep the back ranks will be out of range unless the unit is widened.
You wont need a save, just numbers and a leadership boost.

Do take a full command for every major unit including these two, you might need it.

thedarkavenger wrote:Why the champ and standard? You don't really need them if they have bows. Plus it makes them cheaper if you drop them. And with the standard they become really effective, especially if they are taken 25 wide so they all get to shoot.

Same reason for the shields & light armour - staying power in combat. I think the Orc & Goblin book opens up a lot of possibility for units that are decent at range, and can then contribute strongly once melee is joined.


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HawaiiMatt wrote:Sure, elves get that +1 to hit. I'm sure that totally balances out with Orcs being T4 and only 7 points.
If you run the numbers, you'll see that even savage orcs with bows (and shields) out shoot elves.

-Matt

Which is really driven by two things;
1) The entirely reasonable discount given to Orc & Goblin troops for animosity.
2) The completely ludicrous overpricing of High Elf core troops.


And it really is more the latter than the former.

sebster wrote:

thedarkavenger wrote:Why the champ and standard? You don't really need them if they have bows. Plus it makes them cheaper if you drop them. And with the standard they become really effective, especially if they are taken 25 wide so they all get to shoot.

Same reason for the shields & light armour - staying power in combat. I think the Orc & Goblin book opens up a lot of possibility for units that are decent at range, and can then contribute strongly once melee is joined.


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HawaiiMatt wrote:Sure, elves get that +1 to hit. I'm sure that totally balances out with Orcs being T4 and only 7 points.
If you run the numbers, you'll see that even savage orcs with bows (and shields) out shoot elves.

-Matt

Which is really driven by two things;
1) The entirely reasonable discount given to Orc & Goblin troops for animosity.
2) The completely ludicrous overpricing of High Elf core troops.


And it really is more the latter than the former.

Yeah, you might fail an animosity test, but the savages are also immune to psychology, which the elves are not. Archers tend to hold up in combat about as well as a wet sack; savages on the other hand could toss out upwards of 40 S4 attacks.
I'm a big fan of savage bows, it's a very tactical unit.

-Matt

HawaiiMatt wrote:Yeah, you might fail an animosity test, but the savages are also immune to psychology, which the elves are not. Archers tend to hold up in combat about as well as a wet sack; savages on the other hand could toss out upwards of 40 S4 attacks.
I'm a big fan of savage bows, it's a very tactical unit.

-Matt

Immune to Psychology can be a mixed blessing, because you can't choose a flee reaction. Mind you that's not much of a drawback when you have a big block of Savage Orcs. I can agree they are a really useful unit, given I've been on the receiving end more than a few times.

More than anything though, High Elf core is just overpriced for what you get. Especially anything with a bow - GW seems to think that being able to hit consistently with BS4 is something very valuable, they don't seem to notice how little damage all those Str3 arrows end up doing.